<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">When your new idea seems to be support for war-making that you formerly opposed (because now it's done by a different political party), I do think it should be avoided. <br><div><div><br></div><div>--CGE</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr">Really, Carl? You're going to give lectures now on repetition? When was the last time you had a new idea, 1984?<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>Policy Director<br>Just Foreign Policy<br><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" target="_blank">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><div><span style="text-align:left">(202) 448-2898 x1</span><br></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:05 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>You need some new phrases, Bob - repeating "ultra-left drivel" lacks punch, to say nothing of argumentation.</div><div><br></div><div>But opposing, not supporting, the criminal wars of our government leaders seems to me incumbent on those of us privileged enough to have the time and resources to do it. In our lifetime US executive branch leaders have killed, wounded and made homeless well over 20 million human beings, mostly civilians - and the numbers increase daily. </div><div><br></div><div>How does it happen that a self-proclaimed advocate for "Just Foreign Policy" ends up approving of mass murder, drone terrorism, and proxy war - so long as those crimes are committed by nice Democrats?</div><div><br></div><div>On Netanyahu, I don't think Durbin, Kaine, Schakowsky, or any or the rest should symbolically put their fingers in their ears and chant, "I can't hear you!" - and hence avoid any questions about the role of Israel as a stationary aircraft carrier for US imperialist crimes in the Mideast and elsewhere.</div><div><br></div><div>Philip Weiss seems to me to have it right: "...The speech should go on because its historical amazement — the spectacle of a warmongering foreign leader rebuking the U.S. president on his foreign policy before a joint session of Congress — will catalyze an important political debate over the American people’s interest in the Middle East ... The speech might allow a long-suppressed argument ... the only people who want this speech to happen now are our side, the Palestinian solidarity types, and the hard-core neocons ... If the speech goes forward, people will be openly debating ... why we are at war in the Middle East – or 'how did we get into this mess' (as Tom Friedman puts it) ... The Netanyahu speech will be a great shock to the American system, and a healthy one: it will set off a long needed and long denied conversation..." </div><div>[See more at: <a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]" target="_blank">http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]</a></div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Carl</div><br><div><span class=""><div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div>You could write the same ultra-left drivel about Tim Kaine and Jan Schakowsky as you could about Dick Durbin. </div><div><br></div>But Tim Kaine did this:<div><br></div><div><div><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/25/tim-kaine-the-latest-hill-democrat-to-announce-plans-to-skip-netanyahus-speech/" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/25/tim-kaine-the-latest-hill-democrat-to-announce-plans-to-skip-netanyahus-speech/</a><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>And Jan Schakowsky did this:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/" target="_blank">http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Why do you always try to change the subject from activism to your ultra-left drivel, Carl? Why do you hate activism so much?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>Policy Director<br>Just Foreign Policy<br><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" target="_blank">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br><div><span style="text-align:left"><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br></div></div></div>
<br></span><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span class="">Durbin, a fervent supporter of Obama's world-wide war plans - including but by no means limited to his drone program, "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times" - should be insulted more seriously and more often. <div><br></div><div>Obama's policy is to mislead the only enemy of his war plans whom he really fears, the US public. Therefore Netanyahu should be encouraged to give his speech: </div></span><div><span class=""><div><<a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech" target="_blank">http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech</a>>.</div><div><br></div><div>Durbin should be told that Obama's war-making in E. Europe and SW Asia is criminal madness, for which both should be impeached. The Vietnam war resulted in two presidents being driven from office. The US public should repeat the action. Obama at least is afraid of that.</div><div><br></div><div>--CGE</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><div><span class=""><div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:noreply@list.moveon.org" target="_blank">noreply@list.moveon.org</a>> wrote:</div><br></span><blockquote type="cite"><span class="">Dear C. G. Estabrook, <br><br>Have you heard? In a shocking insult towards our Democratic Illinois Senator, Dick Durbin, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected an invitation from Senator Durbin and California Senator Dianne Feinstein to meet with Senate Democrats when he is in Washington next week. [1]. <br><br>At this writing, The Hill still lists Durbin as “on the fence” on whether he will participate in Netanyahu’s planned tirade to Congress against President Obama on Tuesday. [2] <br><br></span>Senator Durbin needs to hear more from people in Illinois that we don’t want him to support Netanyahu’s tirade attacking President Obama by attending it. We can still move him to do the right thing. Just yesterday, Democratic Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky [3] and Democratic Virginia Senator Tim Kaine [4] announced that they will not attend the speech...<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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