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I dont find that Netanyahu is a pathological liar.<br>
Pathological liars do so when there is no need to lie<br>
and there is nothing to gain.<br>
A pathological liar will tell a lie when the truth would work
better.<br>
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Netanyahu seems to have motive regardless what he <br>
does to or with the truth or the absence thereof<br>
therefore I believe that you do err when calling him<br>
a pathological liar.<br>
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I dont know if Carl is lying about your views.<br>
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Do you have any? (of your own?)<br>
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It's a serious question and I expect the answer to be interesting.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/27/2015 06:35 AM, Robert Naiman
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<div>As always, you lie about my views. No wonder you
rush to defend Netanyahu - you are both pathological
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:24 PM, C.
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">When your new idea seems
to be support for war-making that you formerly opposed
(because now it's done by a different political party),
I do think it should be avoided. <br>
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<div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Robert Naiman
via Peace-discuss <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Really, Carl? You're going to
give lectures now on repetition? When was the
last time you had a new idea, 1984?
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at 4:05 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>You need some new phrases, Bob -
repeating "ultra-left drivel" lacks
punch, to say nothing of
argumentation.</div>
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<div>But opposing, not supporting, the
criminal wars of our government
leaders seems to me incumbent on those
of us privileged enough to have the
time and resources to do it. In our
lifetime US executive branch leaders
have killed, wounded and made
homeless well over 20 million human
beings, mostly civilians - and the
numbers increase daily. </div>
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<div>How does it happen that a
self-proclaimed advocate for "Just
Foreign Policy" ends up approving of
mass murder, drone terrorism, and
proxy war - so long as those crimes
are committed by nice Democrats?</div>
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<div>On Netanyahu, I don't think Durbin,
Kaine, Schakowsky, or any or the rest
should symbolically put their fingers
in their ears and chant, "I can't hear
you!" - and hence avoid any questions
about the role of Israel as a
stationary aircraft carrier for US
imperialist crimes in the Mideast and
elsewhere.</div>
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<div>Philip Weiss seems to me to have it
right: "...The speech should go on
because its historical amazement —
the spectacle of a warmongering
foreign leader rebuking the U.S.
president on his foreign policy before
a joint session of Congress — will
catalyze an important political debate
over the American people’s interest
in the Middle East ... The speech
might allow a long-suppressed argument
... the only people who want this
speech to happen now are our side, the
Palestinian solidarity types, and the
hard-core neocons ... If the speech
goes forward, people will be openly
debating ... why we are at war in the
Middle East – or 'how did we get into
this mess' (as Tom Friedman puts it)
... The Netanyahu speech will be a
great shock to the American
system, and a healthy one: it will set
off a long needed and long
denied conversation..." </div>
<div>[See more at: <a
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target="_blank">http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]</a></div>
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<div>Regards, Carl</div>
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<div>You could write the same
ultra-left drivel about Tim
Kaine and Jan Schakowsky as
you could about Dick Durbin. </div>
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But Tim Kaine did this:
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<div>And Jan Schakowsky did
this:</div>
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href="http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/"
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<div>Why do you always try to
change the subject from
activism to your ultra-left
drivel, Carl? Why do you hate
activism so much?</div>
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Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM,
C. G. Estabrook <span
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word"><span>Durbin,
a fervent supporter of
Obama's world-wide war
plans - including but by
no means limited to
his drone program, "the
most extreme terrorist
campaign of modern times"
- should be insulted more
seriously and more often.
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<div>Obama's policy is to
mislead the only enemy
of his war plans whom he
really fears, the US
public. Therefore
Netanyahu should be
encouraged to give his
speech: </div>
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target="_blank">http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech</a>>.</div>
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<div>Durbin should be
told that Obama's
war-making in E.
Europe and SW Asia is
criminal madness, for
which both should be
impeached. The Vietnam
war resulted in two
presidents being
driven from office.
The US public should
repeat the action.
Obama at least is
afraid of that.</div>
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<div>--CGE</div>
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at 1:12 PM, Robert
Naiman <<a
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear
C. G. Estabrook, <br>
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Have you heard? In a
shocking insult
towards our
Democratic Illinois
Senator, Dick
Durbin, Israeli
Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu
rejected an
invitation from
Senator Durbin and
California Senator
Dianne Feinstein to
meet with Senate
Democrats when he is
in Washington next
week. [1]. <br>
<br>
At this writing, The
Hill still lists
Durbin as “on the
fence” on whether he
will participate in
Netanyahu’s planned
tirade to Congress
against President
Obama on Tuesday.
[2] <br>
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</span>Senator Durbin
needs to hear more
from people in
Illinois that we don’t
want him to support
Netanyahu’s tirade
attacking President
Obama by attending it.
We can still move him
to do the right thing.
Just yesterday,
Democratic Illinois
Rep. Jan
Schakowsky [3] and
Democratic Virginia
Senator Tim Kaine
[4] announced that
they will not attend
the speech...<br>
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