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    I dont find that Netanyahu is a pathological liar.<br>
    Pathological liars do so when there is no need to lie<br>
    and there is nothing to gain.<br>
    A pathological liar will tell a lie when the truth would work
    better.<br>
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    Netanyahu seems to have motive regardless what he <br>
    does to or with the truth or the absence thereof<br>
    therefore I believe that you do err when calling him<br>
    a pathological liar.<br>
    *<br>
    I dont know if Carl is lying about your views.<br>
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    Do you have any? (of your own?)<br>
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    It's a serious question and I expect the answer to be interesting.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/27/2015 06:35 AM, Robert Naiman
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                <div>As always, you lie about my views. No wonder you
                  rush to defend Netanyahu - you are both pathological
                  liars. </div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:24 PM, C.
            G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">When your new idea seems
                to be support for war-making that you formerly opposed
                (because now it's done by a different political party),
                I do think it should be avoided. <br>
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                  <div>--CGE</div>
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                      <div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Robert Naiman
                        via Peace-discuss <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
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                        <div dir="ltr">Really, Carl? You're going to
                          give lectures now on repetition? When was the
                          last time you had a new idea, 1984?
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                              <div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>
                                Policy Director<br>
                                Just Foreign Policy<br>
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                                  target="_blank">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
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                                  href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org"
                                  target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015
                            at 4:05 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                <div>You need some new phrases, Bob -
                                  repeating "ultra-left drivel" lacks
                                  punch, to say nothing of
                                  argumentation.</div>
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                                <div>But opposing, not supporting, the
                                  criminal wars of our government
                                  leaders seems to me incumbent on those
                                  of us privileged enough to have the
                                  time and resources to do it. In our
                                  lifetime US executive branch leaders
                                  have killed, wounded and made
                                  homeless well over 20 million human
                                  beings, mostly civilians - and the
                                  numbers increase daily.   </div>
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                                <div>How does it happen that a
                                  self-proclaimed advocate for "Just
                                  Foreign Policy" ends up approving of
                                  mass murder, drone terrorism, and
                                  proxy war - so long as those crimes
                                  are committed by nice Democrats?</div>
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                                <div>On Netanyahu, I don't think Durbin,
                                  Kaine, Schakowsky, or any or the rest
                                  should symbolically put their fingers
                                  in their ears and chant, "I can't hear
                                  you!" - and hence avoid any questions
                                  about the role of Israel as a
                                  stationary aircraft carrier for US
                                  imperialist crimes in the Mideast and
                                  elsewhere.</div>
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                                <div>Philip Weiss seems to me to have it
                                  right: "...The speech should go on
                                  because its historical amazement —
                                  the spectacle of a warmongering
                                  foreign leader rebuking the U.S.
                                  president on his foreign policy before
                                  a joint session of Congress — will
                                  catalyze an important political debate
                                  over the American people’s interest
                                  in the Middle East ...  The speech
                                  might allow a long-suppressed argument
                                  ... the only people who want this
                                  speech to happen now are our side, the
                                  Palestinian solidarity types, and the
                                  hard-core neocons ... If the speech
                                  goes forward, people will be openly
                                  debating ... why we are at war in the
                                  Middle East – or 'how did we get into
                                  this mess' (as Tom Friedman puts it)
                                  ... The Netanyahu speech will be a
                                  great shock to the American
                                  system, and a healthy one: it will set
                                  off a long needed and long
                                  denied conversation..." </div>
                                <div>[See more at: <a
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href="http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]"
                                    target="_blank">http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]</a></div>
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                                <div>Regards, Carl</div>
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                                    <div>On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:30 PM,
                                      Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss
                                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"
                                        target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>>
                                      wrote:</div>
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                                        <div>You could write the same
                                          ultra-left drivel about Tim
                                          Kaine and Jan Schakowsky as
                                          you could about Dick Durbin. </div>
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                                        But Tim Kaine did this:
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href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/25/tim-kaine-the-latest-hill-democrat-to-announce-plans-to-skip-netanyahus-speech/"
                                              target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/25/tim-kaine-the-latest-hill-democrat-to-announce-plans-to-skip-netanyahus-speech/</a><br>
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                                        <div>And Jan Schakowsky did
                                          this:</div>
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href="http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/"
                                            target="_blank">http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/</a><br>
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                                        <div>Why do you always try to
                                          change the subject from
                                          activism to your ultra-left
                                          drivel, Carl? Why do you hate
                                          activism so much?</div>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>
                                            Policy Director<br>
                                            Just Foreign Policy<br>
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                                              href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org"
                                              target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
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                                          Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM,
                                          C. G. Estabrook <span
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                                              a fervent supporter of
                                              Obama's world-wide war
                                              plans - including but by
                                              no means limited to
                                              his drone program, "the
                                              most extreme terrorist
                                              campaign of modern times"
                                              - should be insulted more
                                              seriously and more often. 
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                                              <div>Obama's policy is to
                                                mislead the only enemy
                                                of his war plans whom he
                                                really fears, the US
                                                public. Therefore
                                                Netanyahu should be
                                                encouraged to give his
                                                speech: </div>
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                                                <div><<a
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href="http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech"
                                                    target="_blank">http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech</a>>.</div>
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                                                <div>Durbin should be
                                                  told that Obama's
                                                  war-making in E.
                                                  Europe and SW Asia is
                                                  criminal madness, for
                                                  which both should be
                                                  impeached. The Vietnam
                                                  war resulted in two
                                                  presidents being
                                                  driven from office.
                                                  The US public should
                                                  repeat the action.
                                                  Obama at least is
                                                  afraid of that.</div>
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                                                <div>--CGE</div>
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                                                  <div>On Feb 26, 2015,
                                                    at 1:12 PM, Robert
                                                    Naiman <<a
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                                                    C. G. Estabrook,   <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Have you heard? In a
                                                    shocking insult
                                                    towards our
                                                    Democratic Illinois
                                                    Senator, Dick
                                                    Durbin, Israeli
                                                    Prime Minister
                                                    Benjamin Netanyahu
                                                    rejected an
                                                    invitation from
                                                    Senator Durbin and
                                                    California Senator
                                                    Dianne Feinstein to
                                                    meet with Senate
                                                    Democrats when he is
                                                    in Washington next
                                                    week. [1].   <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    At this writing, The
                                                    Hill still lists
                                                    Durbin as “on the
                                                    fence” on whether he
                                                    will participate in
                                                    Netanyahu’s planned
                                                    tirade to Congress
                                                    against President
                                                    Obama on Tuesday.
                                                    [2]    <br>
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                                                  </span>Senator Durbin
                                                  needs to hear more
                                                  from people in
                                                  Illinois that we don’t
                                                  want him to support
                                                  Netanyahu’s tirade
                                                  attacking President
                                                  Obama by attending it.
                                                  We can still move him
                                                  to do the right thing.
                                                  Just yesterday,
                                                  Democratic Illinois
                                                  Rep. Jan
                                                  Schakowsky [3]  and
                                                  Democratic Virginia
                                                  Senator Tim Kaine
                                                  [4] announced that
                                                  they will not attend
                                                  the speech...<br>
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