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    Hmm, that's a thought.  Has Tim Johnson said anything publicly on
    what he thinks about the negotiations with Iran, for example, or
    about sending "defensive" "aid" to the Ukraine?   If he's as good an
    antiinterventionist now as he was in office, he might make a really
    appealing opponent to Kirk.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/15 11:25 AM, Robert Naiman via
      Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Let me know how that Kirk primary challenger thing
        goes. If you can find a Tea Party person to challenge Kirk who
        supports diplomacy with Iran, I will send them a campaign
        donation. 
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            <div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>
              Policy Director<br>
              Just Foreign Policy<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
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                href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org"
                target="_blank">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br>
              <div><span style="text-align:left">(202) 448-2898 x1</span><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM, C. G.
          Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>That’s the sort of false alternative ("pure evil and
                swings both ways”) that sees Obama’s war policy as a
                reversal of Bush’s rather than a continuation. </div>
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              <div>Obama has attacked eight countries (while Bush only
                attacked six) and is conducting the “the most extreme
                terrorist campaign of modern times.”</div>
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              <div>We should be organizing opposition to him in
                Congress, rather than support.</div>
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              <div>And in fact it’s marginally more likely that Kirk
                will have a primary challenger - from the anti-war
                anti-Wall St. wing of the Republican party - than that
                Duckworth will.</div>
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                  <div>—CGE</div>
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                    <div>On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Robert Naiman <<a
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                      wrote:</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Tammy D. would not be my first
                        choice, and if anyone wants to make a credible
                        challenge to her for the Dem nomination, I'm
                        ready. So far, looks to be the opposite - every
                        potential credible Dem challenger is standing
                        aside for Tammy D - their choice, not mine. 
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                        <div>In Washington, the difference between pure
                          evil and swings both ways makes a palpable
                          difference all the time. Kirk is pure evil.
                          Tammy D swings both ways. </div>
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                        <div>So, for example, indicted Menendez just got
                          replaced as the ranking Dem on SFRC by Cardin.
                          Cardin is AIPAC too, but he's not
                          hyper-super-duper AIPAC like Menendez. That
                          change from hyper-AIPAC to just plain AIPAC is
                          likely to have a big impact in the coming
                          Congressional fight on Iran.</div>
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                          <span
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href="http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/menendez-s-foreign-relations-loss-is-white-house-s-gain-20150402"
                              target="_blank">http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/menendez-s-foreign-relations-loss-is-white-house-s-gain-20150402</a><br>
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href="http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/bob-corker-iran-bill-116629.html"
                              target="_blank">http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/bob-corker-iran-bill-116629.html</a><br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at
                          10:16 AM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Duckworth,
                              a pro-war Democrat engineered into
                              Congress by Rahm Emanuel in 2006 in order
                              to exclude an anti-war Democrat, Christine
                              Cegelis, will prove to be a “more
                              effective evil” (in Glen Ford’s phrase) in
                              support of Obama’s war policies.  There
                              may/should be a Green party candidate for
                              the Senate in Illinois in 2016.
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                              <div>In 2006 “...Rep. Rahm Emanuel
                                (D-Ill.), the chairman of the Democratic
                                Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC),
                                handpicked Duckworth as the
                                establishment choice. Illinois’s U.S.
                                senators, Democrats Barack Obama and
                                Dick Durbin, as well as Sens. John Kerry
                                (D-Mass.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton
                                (D-N.Y.), aided Duckworth’s campaign…"</div>
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                              <div>—CGE</div>
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                              <div>[BTW, contrary to self-serving
                                American political mythology about
                                “Munich appeasement,"  British PM
                                Chamberlain got a good agreement at
                                Munich in 1938. It was the breaking of
                                that agreement, not its implementation,
                                that led to WWII in Europe. See
                                Nicholson Baker’s important book:</div>
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                              <div><b style="font-style:italic">"Human
                                  Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II,
                                  the End of Civilization </b>(2008) is
                                a history of World War II that questions
                                the commonly held belief that the Allies
                                wanted to avoid the war at all costs but
                                were forced into action by Hitler's
                                unforgiving crusade. It consists largely
                                of official government transcripts and
                                other documents from the time. In form
                                it is similar to Sven Lindqvist's A
                                History of Bombing (New York: New Press,
                                2001), which Baker includes in the
                                book's copious list of
                                references. Baker cites documents that
                                suggest that the leaders of the United
                                States and the United Kingdom were
                                provoking Germany into war (showing, for
                                example, that Britain bombed Germany
                                before Germany bombed Britain) and that
                                the leaders of those two nations had
                                ulterior motives for wanting
                                to participate…” and that a truce was
                                possible before the Wannsee Conference.]
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                                        <div>On Apr 3, 2015, at 7:54 AM,
                                          Robert Naiman via
                                          Peace-discuss <<a
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                                            <div>we need to get rid of
                                              this guy in 11/16. Tammy
                                              Duckworth? I'd take Mickey
                                              Mouse. </div>
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                                            <div>[...]</div>
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                                              <div>And in a telephone
                                                interview, Sen. Mark
                                                Kirk (R-Ill.) reiterated
                                                that his leaders should
                                                give his sanctions bill
                                                a vote and blasted the
                                                president’s announcement
                                                and a top State
                                                Department negotiator,
                                                Wendy Sherman.</div>
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                                              <div>“I would say that
                                                Neville Chamberlain got
                                                a lot more out of Hitler
                                                than Wendy Sherman got
                                                out of Iran,” Kirk said.</div>
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