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Hmm, that's a thought. Has Tim Johnson said anything publicly on
what he thinks about the negotiations with Iran, for example, or
about sending "defensive" "aid" to the Ukraine? If he's as good an
antiinterventionist now as he was in office, he might make a really
appealing opponent to Kirk.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Let me know how that Kirk primary challenger thing
goes. If you can find a Tea Party person to challenge Kirk who
supports diplomacy with Iran, I will send them a campaign
donation.
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<div dir="ltr">Robert Naiman<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:53 AM, C. G.
Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>That’s the sort of false alternative ("pure evil and
swings both ways”) that sees Obama’s war policy as a
reversal of Bush’s rather than a continuation. </div>
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<div>Obama has attacked eight countries (while Bush only
attacked six) and is conducting the “the most extreme
terrorist campaign of modern times.”</div>
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<div>We should be organizing opposition to him in
Congress, rather than support.</div>
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<div>And in fact it’s marginally more likely that Kirk
will have a primary challenger - from the anti-war
anti-Wall St. wing of the Republican party - than that
Duckworth will.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Tammy D. would not be my first
choice, and if anyone wants to make a credible
challenge to her for the Dem nomination, I'm
ready. So far, looks to be the opposite - every
potential credible Dem challenger is standing
aside for Tammy D - their choice, not mine.
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<div>In Washington, the difference between pure
evil and swings both ways makes a palpable
difference all the time. Kirk is pure evil.
Tammy D swings both ways. </div>
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<div>So, for example, indicted Menendez just got
replaced as the ranking Dem on SFRC by Cardin.
Cardin is AIPAC too, but he's not
hyper-super-duper AIPAC like Menendez. That
change from hyper-AIPAC to just plain AIPAC is
likely to have a big impact in the coming
Congressional fight on Iran.</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Duckworth,
a pro-war Democrat engineered into
Congress by Rahm Emanuel in 2006 in order
to exclude an anti-war Democrat, Christine
Cegelis, will prove to be a “more
effective evil” (in Glen Ford’s phrase) in
support of Obama’s war policies. There
may/should be a Green party candidate for
the Senate in Illinois in 2016.
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<div>In 2006 “...Rep. Rahm Emanuel
(D-Ill.), the chairman of the Democratic
Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC),
handpicked Duckworth as the
establishment choice. Illinois’s U.S.
senators, Democrats Barack Obama and
Dick Durbin, as well as Sens. John Kerry
(D-Mass.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton
(D-N.Y.), aided Duckworth’s campaign…"</div>
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<div>[BTW, contrary to self-serving
American political mythology about
“Munich appeasement," British PM
Chamberlain got a good agreement at
Munich in 1938. It was the breaking of
that agreement, not its implementation,
that led to WWII in Europe. See
Nicholson Baker’s important book:</div>
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<div><b style="font-style:italic">"Human
Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II,
the End of Civilization </b>(2008) is
a history of World War II that questions
the commonly held belief that the Allies
wanted to avoid the war at all costs but
were forced into action by Hitler's
unforgiving crusade. It consists largely
of official government transcripts and
other documents from the time. In form
it is similar to Sven Lindqvist's A
History of Bombing (New York: New Press,
2001), which Baker includes in the
book's copious list of
references. Baker cites documents that
suggest that the leaders of the United
States and the United Kingdom were
provoking Germany into war (showing, for
example, that Britain bombed Germany
before Germany bombed Britain) and that
the leaders of those two nations had
ulterior motives for wanting
to participate…” and that a truce was
possible before the Wannsee Conference.]
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<div>we need to get rid of
this guy in 11/16. Tammy
Duckworth? I'd take Mickey
Mouse. </div>
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<div>And in a telephone
interview, Sen. Mark
Kirk (R-Ill.) reiterated
that his leaders should
give his sanctions bill
a vote and blasted the
president’s announcement
and a top State
Department negotiator,
Wendy Sherman.</div>
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<div>“I would say that
Neville Chamberlain got
a lot more out of Hitler
than Wendy Sherman got
out of Iran,” Kirk said.</div>
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