<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Even pompous self-absorbed asses can’t be wrong all the time.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Listen to what they say, and see if they’re right. I try to.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 25, 2015, at 1:42 PM, John <<a href="mailto:jlvlo1945@gmail.com" class="">jlvlo1945@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Mr. Kay, of course you are correct-CGE is a pompous self-absorbed ass. Don't take him too seriously. I really don't think he takes himself that seriously either, which makes him a lot more bearable. Unfortunately, I agree with his positions more often than not.</div></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><hr class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a href="mailto:sf-core-noreply@yahoogroups.com" class="">'C. G. Estabrook' carl@newsfromneptune.com [sf-core]</a></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">25/7/2015 11:45</span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" class="">C. G. ESTABROOK</a></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" class="">Gregg Gordon</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bruce.kay@homemail.com.au" class="">Bruce KAY</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" class="">sf-core</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:occupyCU@lists.chambana.net" class="">occupycu</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" class="">Peace Discuss</a></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">[sf-core] Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Governor signs Israeli bill;not opposed by local Democrats</span><br class=""><br class=""></div><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative;" class=""><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; z-index: 1;" class=""><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" class=""><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class="">Sorry. I meant to ask, What did you think of South African apartheid?</p><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">If the South African government had engineered a vote in its favor in the Illinois legislature a generation ago, what do you think your representatives should have done?<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">The parallel isn’t exact: Israeli apartheid in the Occupied Territories is worse than South African apartheid ever was.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">—CGE</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On Jul 25, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Have you score on South African apartheid?<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On Jul 25, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437841530419_3719" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I agree with Mr. Kay. Thanks for speaking up.</span></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Gregg Gordon</span></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="qtdSeparateBR" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12px;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font face="Arial" size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On Friday, July 24, 2015 10:40 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></font></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="y_msg_container" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div id="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Would you say the same if they’d failed to vote against apartheid in South Africa?<div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">(BTW, I haven’t done a radio program in years: are you sure you’re listening to others’ points of view?)</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Regards, CGE</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote class="yiv9560910459" type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Bruce KAY <<a class="yiv9560910459" href="mailto:bruce.kay@homemail.com.au" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bruce.kay@homemail.com.au" style="line-height: 1.22em;">bruce.kay@homemail.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv9560910459Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Mr Estabrook,<div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">You are a painfully single-issue twat. You have zero political nous. You fail to understand that Scott Bennett and Carol Ammons are good representatives of Champaign Urbana despite that they are not Green Party members and despite that they do not always agree with you sir, You show no tolerance of the compromises Carol and Scott are forced to make as working politicians attempting to achieve the policies they perceive as most important for our C-U constituency. You fail to understand, let alone acknowledge the cut and thrust of state politics. You try to bask in your former glory as a past candidate, without ever grasping the real reason why you never got elected. Because you are uncompromising. You pontificate on your radio program with obnoxious opinions, consistently displaying your inability to listen to others’ points of view.</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">For the past few weeks I have desisted from commenting on your tirade of harassment of Carol Ammons and Scott Bennett. But you are so one-eyed that your opinions amount to harassment.</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">I too favor the Green Party, and support Jill Stein for President. But I don’t subscribe to your brand of hateful chauvinist aggression</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Please Mr C G Estabrook, pull your head in.</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Nobody wants to be harangued by your diatribe of hatred. <br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;">Bruce<br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><a class="yiv9560910459" href="mailto:bruce.kay@homemail.com.au" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bruce.kay@homemail.com.au" style="line-height: 1.22em;">bruce.kay@homemail.com.au</a><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">+1 217 419 9140 (in the USA)</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;">+61 412 213 689 (in Australia)<br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Home address: 96 Murranji Street Hawker ACT Australia 2614</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal;">Address in USA: 4018 N. Lincoln Avenue Champaign ILL USA 61822<br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">_________________________________<br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div></div><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><blockquote class="yiv9560910459" type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On Jul 24, 2015, at 20:34, C. G. Estabrook <<a class="yiv9560910459" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv9560910459Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><a class="yiv9560910459" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__electronicintifada.net_blogs_nora-2Dbarrows-2Dfriedman_new-2Dillinois-2Dlaw-2Ddoes-2Dnot-2Dmake-2Dbds-2Dillegal&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=7giHR9b5Iyfnr1E_Oka2alPOUR-cBWOcRwpPYxH7INc&s=sM8XL4kcIzYrV6nmI8lr3um2OFTTDZJjQ7ynX3EEPLo&e=" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" style="line-height: 1.22em;">https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/new-illinois-law-does-not-make-bds-illegal</a></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">The self-styled liberals from C-U, state senator Scott Bennett and state representative Carol Ammons, refused to vote against this bill, promoted by the government of Israel. The bill supports Israeli apartheid: they would not have refused to vote against a bill supporting South African apartheid a generation ago.</div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;">—CGE</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class="yiv9560910459" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div></div></div></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">_______________________________________________<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace mailing list<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net" ymailto="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace@lists.chambana.net</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.chambana.net_mailman_listinfo_peace&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=7giHR9b5Iyfnr1E_Oka2alPOUR-cBWOcRwpPYxH7INc&s=11aaDlrtzpcaQCvtZ3k5ssCrOoMwxV2pZjJo86c8hX0&e=" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace-discuss mailing list</span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a></span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a></span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; height: 0px; color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">__._,_.___</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; clear: both;" class=""></div><div id="fromDMARC" style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 10px;" class=""><hr style="line-height: 1.22em; border-width: 0px; height: 2px; color: rgb(227, 227, 227); background-color: rgb(227, 227, 227);" class="">Posted by: "C. 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