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Appropriate comments Karen. Thanks.
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<div class=""> I didn’t realize how ugly, demagogic and politically bankrupt Naiman could be, although there have been indications in the past. He has become a shill for the Democratic party (if he wasn’t always one), seeming to prefer Sanders to Hillary, but
would be satisfied with either and their militaristic hegemonic policies. Mirroring Obama. Of course, his constant argument is that the Repubs would be worse. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Bob, I thought you were good intentioned though misguided. Now I know better. You don't just support the democratic party, as does Bernie. A party that doesn't just support wars, but perpetrates and expands them.
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Kevin's comments were legit. and you immediately attacked him and tarred the whole left, with ad homenums always a sign of one knowing they have lost the argument. <br class="">
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Some of us from the local Green Party will be happy to counteract Bernie with Jill, who has made it clear we don't support war, or militarization.<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I'm all for pressuring Sanders to be better - and, in fact, we've run petitions on Sanders, pressuring him to be better.
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<div class="">But some of the noise on the left against Sanders is coming from ultra-left fantasyland - a place of dishonesty, manipulation, deceit, and abuse - and it's important to call that out. </div>
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<div class="">Israel-Palestine is a great example of this. There is a faction of people who are trashing Sanders for "supporting Israeli militarism" because he hasn't opposed U.S. military aid to Israel. </div>
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<div class="">That's an ultra-left fantasyland position. Sanders isn't running as the candidate of the ISO or the SWP or the Workers' World Party. He's running for the Democratic nomination for President. To trash him for not taking the positions that the Trotskyite
groups are taking is to fundamentally attack the political engagement of people in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. </div>
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<div class="">Of course, people are entitled to their views. But they should be honest about their political agenda. They shouldn't hide it behind insincere claims of being pro-Palestinian. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I have not seen people putting up Jill Stein statements on this list so not sure why you are raising that.
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<div class="">The purpose of this list is to oppose war and militarism. Sanders record is not stellar on those issues. It would be great to see the antiwar movement pressure Sanders to be better. In fact, the minimal presure of petitions urging Sanders to speak
out on these issues may have been a factor in this statement finally being made. I hope it encourages more pressure on Sanders -- especially on Israel-Palestine, weapons making and alternatives to a war-based foreign policy.</div>
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<div class="">It seems Sanders listens to pressue (which is a good thing) as the Black Lives Matter pressure has made him much better on racial justice issues. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Is the purpose of this list to shill for Jill Stein and the ultra-left retard faction?
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Sounds like Sanders concern for lost limbs and brain injury could just as easily lead to a love of drones and robotic warriors.
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<div class="">We need leaders who oppose wars, miitarization and occupation. I have heard Sanders justify Israeli occupation too many times (with lots of false talking points) or support the building of overlypriced virtually useless weapons to have much confidence
that he actually gets it -- war should be abolished, it needs to be seen as a barbarian way of resolving disputes that is no longer acceptable.<br class="">
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<font face="garamond, serif" class=""><b class=""><i class="">Shift Wealth:</i></b></font><b style="font-family: garamond,serif;" class=""> <i class="">Economic Democracy</i></b>
<div class=""><b class=""><font face="georgia, serif" class="">Its Our Economy </font></b></div>
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<i style="font-family: garamond,serif;" class="">Democratize the Media</i><br class="">
<font face="georgia, serif" class="">Clearing the FOG (Forces of Greed)</font> <br class="">
<font face="garamond, serif" class="">Radio </font><font color="#0000ee" style="font-family: garamond,serif;" class=""><u class="">(<a href="http://www.clearingthefogradio.org/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ClearingTheFOGRadio.org</a>)</u></font></b></div>
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