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<p>As one of the seven <u>active</u> members of AWARE, and the most outspoken on this topic, amongst the group. Let me clarify:
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<p>Objections to S.Francis being on the program were due to his labeling and smearing "the Jewish people" for the attacks on 9/11. Just as he has done on this Peace Discuss List, in the past. None of us were concerned with the issue of 9/11. That being said,
we do focus, as was intended by AWARE's creators on "Anti-war, anti-racism", the issue of racism taking a back seat to anti-war only because there are other groups focused on the race issue, while none in the area other than AWARE are focusing on war. There
are other reasons as well, and to be clear, we were a group divided.</p>
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<p>I'm not referring to the wars of the past, but those we are facing in the present and future. They are of course all connected, history of behavior does matter.
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<p>When some of us say "9/11 doesn't matter", we mean that our opinion of who is responsible for the killing of over 3,000 people here in the US, doesn't change anything, not that those lives don't matter. What we do think matters is the thousands upon thousands
that the US has been killing, with little coverage by the media. That matters because we hope that if the American people know and understand what we are doing and why, we might be able to prevent it's continuance.</p>
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<p>Focusing on "ourselves as victims" of 9/11 offers no solutions. Let the experts do their research, let all documents be released and discuss it amongst your peers as you like, but don't expect the American people to rise up against oppression when the "truth
of 9/11" is revealed. We have enough abuse occurring on a daily basis, that needs to be challenged and is sometimes covered by the corporate owned media. I won't go into the topic of "identity politics" or even address the " class system" and "capitalism"
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<p>What we, the American people, need to focus on is our own behavior, that's the only thing we can control. The crimes against humanity for which we are responsible if we turn away and ignore, makes us as guilty as the perpetrators, for allowing what is
done in our name. In preventing the deaths of thousands upon thousands, keep in mind some of those lives could be our own.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karen Medina<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peace Discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Proposal</font>
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<div>Regarding this statement:
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<i>We do often talk about U.S. support for Israel and Saudi Arabia -- seemingly the closest friends of the United States -- as we exchange money, weapons, and military training; But the reason for this even coming into the conversation is again the actions
of OUR government, not that we are anti-(other countries). </i></span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Do “we" not talk about the repression by Israel of the Palestinians, the attacks on Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, Syria… and other policies of Israel that we deplore? Strange that in replying to Stephen Daniel
with otherwise admirable remarks, you insert this statement which I don’t believe holds wrt AWARE folks, the “we” of your remark. </span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Also, we may not be “anti- other countries", but we can be anti- what their governments and perhaps most of their </span>people do and support. </div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Just a thought… The statement doesn’t apply to me.</span></div>
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<div>On Apr 13, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30377"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30378">Sophisticated-sounding political arguments that intricately navigate through idealistic and well-intentioned discourse play well on chat screens, but wilt under
the light of good ole plain 'follow the money' and analyzing who benefits, in getting to the root of the system we rail against.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30379" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30380">Investigations look for objective facts that fit patterns and care not who or what becomes the final target and eventual conclusions. I want names of
people who can be prosecuted and put behind bars.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30379" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30487"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30537"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30666" color="#cd232c">9/11 was a criminal attack on the US by
Neocon Zionists to further theirs and Israel's goals in the Middle East and ... the 19 hijackers were patsies just as Oswald was a patsy in Kennedy's assassination. There are hundreds of pieces of evidence supporting this, if you look for them. </font></i></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30381" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30382">Yesterday, I created a partial list of Neocon Zionists from my work on the internet that totalled over 500 people, but the list was so long (or something?)
that this (Peace-discuss) site system blocked it as spam...so I just dropped the idea...but it is available on the net with no spam issues whatsoever.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30383" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_30384">This is REAL investigation.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:45 AM, Stephen Francis <<a href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_26067"><span id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_26355">Sophisticated-sounding political arguments that intricately navigate through idealistic and well-intentioned discourse play well on chat
screens, but wilt under the light of good ole plain 'follow the money' and analyzing who benefits, in getting to the root of the system we rail against.</span></div>
<div id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_26067" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_26805">Investigations look for objective facts that fit patterns and care not who or what becomes the final target and eventual conclusions.
I want names of people who can be prosecuted and put behind bars.</span></div>
<div id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_26067" dir="ltr"><span id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_27081">Yesterday, I created a partial list of Neocon Zionists from my work on the internet that totalled over 500 people, but the list
was so long (or something?) that this (Peace-discuss) site system blocked it as spam...so I just dropped the idea...but it is available on the net with no spam issues whatsoever.</span></div>
<div id="yiv0827014316yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460564282985_26067" dir="ltr"><span>This is REAL investigation.</span></div>
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* We do often talk about U.S. support for Israel and Saudi Arabia -- seemingly the closest friends of the United States -- as we exchange money, weapons, and military training; But the reason for this even coming into the conversation is again the actions of
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* Working to change the current actions of the United States government is the sole responsibility of the citizens of the the United States: Classism, "Christian" extremism, exceptionalism, environmental destruction, and the mentality of "we are rich and powerful
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