<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font face="Georgia" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: 15.859999656677246px;" class="">“MORE pro-AIPAC than Hillary Clinton”? Rather a fine distinction, don’t you think?</span></font></span><div class=""><font face="Georgia" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: 15.859999656677246px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Georgia" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: 15.859999656677246px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">And hardly a basis for voting for a supporter of Clinton.</span></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="Georgia" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: 15.859999656677246px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Georgia" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: 15.859999656677246px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Georgia" size="2" class=""><span style="line-height: 15.859999656677246px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></font><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Robert Naiman <a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" class="">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a> [sf-core] <<a href="mailto:sf-core-noreply@yahoogroups.com" class="">sf-core-noreply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative;" class=""><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; z-index: 1;" class=""><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Yes, there is a more rabid supporter of AIPAC than Hillary Clinton: Mark Kirk. <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Nobody is expecting you to vote for Hillary Clinton or Tammy Duckworth. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">But if you don't concede that Mark Kirk is more pro-AIPAC than Hillary Clinton, then either you are not informed or you are not telling the truth. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br clear="all" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data="gmail_signature" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Robert Naiman<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Policy Director<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Just Foreign Policy<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=LJeOlFEcfqeumbK7sxbGa2TB2EZ__rMIqyfr7uOfHEE&m=uxcm67rRPvOaXaHOAFyrW23X52OB3Rqw1LTj0Yt0rac&s=quUDK1S46fWOILgCcqCXKDIFVxSPEeg0akJ6ycG2Xds&e=" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; text-align: left;" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div></div></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:29 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">A vote for Mark Kirk is a vote for AIPAC? Is there any more rabid supporter of AIPAC than Hillary Clinton?</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div>Just as I won’t vote for Clinton because “She’s not Donald Trump!”, so I won’t vote for Duckworth because “She’s not Mark Kirk!”<div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Pro-war Duckworth was carpet-bagged into a Congressional seat by the national Democratic party in order to displace a popular anti-war Democrat.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Following Debs’ advice - that it’s better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don’t want and get it - I’ll vote for the Green party candidate for Senate, Scott Summers.</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="h5" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I'm not in love with the Russia thing, but this is not something that Duckworth in particular is promoting, this is something that Trump did that is so controversial in mainstream U.S. discourse that even Trump backed off of it. It must have been pretty extreme for Trump to back off of it, given all the outrageous things that he's not willing to abandon. <div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Kirk was a principal, vigorous opponent of the Iran nuclear deal and has been a longtime Iran warmonger; he was an Iran warmonger before it was cool to be an Iran warmonger. Kirk is more AIPAC than AIPAC. He actually attacked AIPAC during the #IranDeal fight for not being vicious enough in its attacks on the deal. Duckworth voted for the deal. Every national peace group supported the deal and opposed Kirk's efforts to kill it. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Trump, of course, is against the deal, as is virtually the whole GOP. This is part of their play to pander to the extreme right wing of the Israel Lobby. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Hillary supports the deal. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I expect to have problems with Hillary when she is POTUS. If she tries to lead a regime change war in Syria I will fight her all the way; in fact, I'm already fighting with people on Team Hillary who want her to do this. But so far Hillary is being careful only to emphasize things that Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters agree on - as she did last night. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Hillary is leading Trump in Illinois by 14 points, according to a recent poll. No mainstream analyst expects the outcome in Illinois to be in dispute: Hillary will beat Trump in Illinois decisively. We likely won't see much campaigning here in the presidential race. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">But the Senate race is a very different matter. A recent poll had Kirk leading Duckworth. I suspect this result is driven by the fact that many people in Illinois have no idea what a right-wing goon Mark Kirk is. He has carefully worked to cultivate an "independent" image - denouncing Trump, calling for a confirmation hearing for Garland, etc. But on the Middle East, Kirk is no moderate. He is more AIPAC than AIPAC. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Duckworth voted for banning the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia. Where is Mark Kirk? <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">The election that put Kirk in office was extremely close. Champaign County could make the difference this time. </div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">A vote for Mark Kirk is a vote for AIPAC. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Tammy Duckworth yard signs are starting to spring up around town. This is a development we should all encourage. </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">===</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br clear="all" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div data="gmail_signature" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Robert Naiman<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Policy Director<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Just Foreign Policy<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ExvJuzYSnc12a8TVJqAT96VNiv6Ryv2n0pida-wdM1A&s=OmTjqOBtAzDswOQelggaiSNYrFTDIGKp0Srq078-IiY&e=" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; text-align: left;" class=""><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div></div></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid;"><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">[<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Politico.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ExvJuzYSnc12a8TVJqAT96VNiv6Ryv2n0pida-wdM1A&s=AlZdkS43Be2iOAxr2aM4mZoABeI13u4ZZ98HMzH4ApA&e=" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Politico.com</a>] "U.S. Senate hopeful Tammy Duckworth used her moment in the spotlight at the Democratic National Convention on Thursday to take it to Republican nominee Donald Trump. Speaking to the convention's delegates, she assailed Trump for his controversial comments asking Russia to find Hillary Clinton's deleted emails [sic]… Duckworth said, 'By the way, Donald Trump, I didn't put my life on the line to defend our democracy so you could invite Russia to interfere in it.' 'You are not fit to be Commander-in-Chief.’"<div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Duckworth, who if she is elected to replace Illinois senator Mark Kirk, will be a reliable vote for more Obama-Clinton war in the Mideast and elsewhere, asserts all of Hillary Clinton’s political program:</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">(1) the president’s primary description is commander-in-chief: the principal job is to make war; and </div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">(2) Clinton’s primary qualification is “I am not Donald Trump!”</div><span style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font color="#888888" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">—CGE</div></font></span></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">_______________________________________________<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace-discuss mailing list<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.chambana.net_mailman_listinfo_peace-2Ddiscuss&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ExvJuzYSnc12a8TVJqAT96VNiv6Ryv2n0pida-wdM1A&s=uqBXwx8sk1tgG3QyJ9phg4U46FLollrmeptiPPe7X9Q&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div></div></div></div></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">_______________________________________________<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace-discuss mailing list<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.chambana.net_mailman_listinfo_peace-2Ddiscuss&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=LJeOlFEcfqeumbK7sxbGa2TB2EZ__rMIqyfr7uOfHEE&m=uxcm67rRPvOaXaHOAFyrW23X52OB3Rqw1LTj0Yt0rac&s=lGoFlJoLk5sjGzFged4ikRLuVo9g4bd_t3NijRHcgfc&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></blockquote></div><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; 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