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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You are not only ignorant of history but you have no clue what Socialism really is !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Socialism pure and simple is economic and political democracy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The rule of the 99% NOT the 1%. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The 1% is comprised of JEWISH AND GENTILE, HINDU AND MUSLIM people , just like the 99 %. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Russian revolution was NOT caused by a “ Zionist plot “ it was the desperation of hundreds of millions of people in horrible poverty, war and repression that caused it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It did not turn out well of course, because of many factors, which was not unique for revolutions in general. But Zionism was NOT even in the equation in that regard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The word “ Socialism “ like the word “ Christianity “ has been claimed by numerous monsters and opportunists throughout history. From Hitler to Stalin and Lenin, from the Spanish Inquisition and the evil Oliver Cromwell to Jerry Fallwell.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Instead of focusing on ; the capitalist class , Zionism, or the policies of the Israeli and U.S. governments, you are making negative generalizations against an entire ethnic group of people. THAT IS RACISM ! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Your good at parroting racist right-wing pro-capitalist propaganda, and that is about it !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now go away !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Nobody wants to read your vile ; racist, anti-Semitic, pro-capitalist bullshit, nor your fucked up analysis <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>( ignorance ) of history.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If I had the ability I would block you from posting to this list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Carl G. Estabrook; Karen Aram<br><b>Cc:</b> peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Quiet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id=yiv3811664470><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473958588090_38991"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473958588090_38990"><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>As per CGE: "Antisemitism is the socialism of fools"</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>Was Martin Luther a fool?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>If I'm not mistaken, in his book 'On the Jews and Their Lies' circa 1543, Martin Luther is decrying the attempt by Jews to monopolize the virtues of circumcision before the eyes of God...</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black'>Luther: "</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Why then do the Jews lie so shamefully before God in their prayer and preaching, as though circumcision were theirs alone, through which they were set apart from all other nations and thus they alone are God's holy people?"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Socialism and Zionism are not unlikely partners.... given the history of Israel... and the ring of antiSemitism has always been a form of protection that this group needs to surround their identity. It's group-think instead of individuality expressed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Socialism ultimately is the abandonment of individuality for the collective leader's dictates. A primitive form of socialism must have been forming even in Luther's day.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Evidently in 1543, the Jews were able to, through considerable means, convey their power, to the consternation of Luther, through this discourse on circumcision given that this discourse was available to them, where racism was not.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv3811664470yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473957295275_16601"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473958588090_38989"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in'><img width=100 height=100 id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473958588090_46020" src="cid:~WRD000.jpg" alt="Description: Image removed by sender. luther"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher@illinois.edu> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Stephen’s arguments should not be dismissed out of hand, not because they are plausible, but because some people follow them. <br><br>They are not impossible - a square circle is impossible - just highly improbable, like David Icke’s shape-shifting lizards.<br><br>They are arguments that need to be countered with accurate analyses of current politics and war - and the current political establishment is even more opposed to that.<br><br>The founders of AWARE were right to connect war and racism, not because the US government’s wars arise from racism (as perhaps identity politics would have us believe), but because US wars generate racism, as in the perhaps misnamed Islamophobia. (As the estimable B. Fields puts it in regard to a related matter, "Probably a majority of American historians think of slavery in the United States as primarily a system of race relations—as though the chief business of slavery were the production of white supremacy rather than the production of cotton, sugar, rice and tobacco”!)<br><br>From Thomas Pynchon’s immortal Proverbs for Paranoids (in his novel Gravity’s Rainbow): “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers” - they, being the ruling class, and the wrong questions being about Jews rather than the 1%.<br><br>August Bebel (1840-1913) applied that principle to Stephen’s assertions more than a century ago, when he observed, “Antisemitism is the socialism of fools.” He meant that contemporary Europeans knew that there was something profoundly wrong and inhuman about capitalism, but misidentified who was responsible for it - the Jewish shopkeeper rather than the owners of the means of production. (How that came about is illuminated by an unjustly ignored book, Israel Shahak’s "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years" [1994].) <br><br>But (as we often say on News from Neptune), no one can be wrong all the time. Stephen is right when he says “Donald Trump … is telling the truth about the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and the trillions of dollars that have lined the pockets of the rich while ordinary Americans muddle through economic hard times” (and that’s the real source of the appeal which may make Trump president). Stephen there is not babbling but perhaps Bebeling… (sorry).<br><br>—CGE<br> <br>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> Stephen is so full of it, all one can do is LOL, which is really sad given the really serious issues humanity is facing, and this peace list is meant to address, not his nonsense<br>> <br>> . <br>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 07:51, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Instead of BS, prove to me with facts and figures that Jews have NOT controlled banking/finance for millennia.<br>>> I'm not supposed to say these...keep my mouth shut...<br>>> I know that I'm risking harm by doing this.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:44 AM, David Johnson <<a href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" target="_blank">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> Hey Stephen,<br>>> <br>>> I heard that the sinking of the Titanic was a Jewish plot.<br>>> <br>>> You know, Iceberg, Goldberg, what’s the difference ?<br>>> <br>>> David J.<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>] On Behalf Of Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss<br>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:28 AM<br>>> To: Mildred O'brien; Peace-discuss List<br>>> Cc: Stephen Francis<br>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Quiet?<br>>> <br>>> When I get messages like this it just confirms that I'm getting my message across.<br>>> I'm attempting, like (Donald Trump, who I'm no fan of) to expose the LIES and DECEIT by our government and its leaders.<br>>> He is telling the truth about the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and the trillions of dollars that have lined the pockets of the rich while ordinary Americans muddle through economic hard times.<br>>> Jewish banksters (major bulge bracket banks) were fined over $100 billion dollars for the 2008 housing fraud <br>>> crisis and not one of them went to jail. By not admitting wrong-doing in the legal proceedings, the fines became tax write-offs that the American people have to pay for. We just signed a $38 billion foreign aid bill to Israel. GET MY POINT!<br>>> Jill Stein just declared that 9/11 should be reinvestigated. Zionists did 9/11. I'm going to vote for her. She will do something about our corrupt Israeli-controlled, bribed, blackmailed government.<br>>> If you don't like me...organize an effort to get me kicked off this group. It would only happen because of Jewish power not because I broke any rule governing this group.<br>>> <a href="http://forward.com/the-assimilator/131574/jews-dominate-forbes-rich-list/" target="_blank">http://forward.com/the-assimilator/131574/jews-dominate-forbes-rich-list/</a><br>>> <br>>> <br>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:09 AM, Mildred O'brien <<a href="mailto:moboct1@aim.com" target="_blank">moboct1@aim.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> How about YOU keeping quiet for a while<br>>> <br>>> mo'b<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>>> To: Peace-discuss List <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>>> Cc: Stephen Francis <<a href="mailto:stephenf1113@yahoo.com" target="_blank">stephenf1113@yahoo.com</a>><br>>> Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2016 10:29 am<br>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Quiet?<br>>> Sure is quiet on this site ...???<br>>> Let's see...<br>>> AWARE Antiwar, Anti racist?<br>>> Maybe we need some comments on anti-racism.<br>>> How about some Critical Theory.... <br>>> Maybe a little Horkheimer and Markuse<br>>> _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv3811664470yqtfd73277><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>