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This thread from UFPJ is worth a read and thought.
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"David McReynolds" <<a href="mailto:davidmcreynolds7@gmail.com" class="">davidmcreynolds7@gmail.com</a>>, "Brussel, Morton K" <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" class="">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br class="">
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It's easy to turn political figures into cartoons. Unfortunately, their conduct has real world consequences. </div>
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I suppose of most politicians are psychopaths, we ought to demand a mental health exam prior to qualifying for the ballot. We can add that to the demand that they release their tax returns and turn over their personal computer hard drives.</div>
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From: "Per Fagereng" <<a href="mailto:phantom@hevanet.com" class="">phantom@hevanet.com</a>></div>
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To: "Michael Eisenscher" <<a href="mailto:meisenscher@gmail.com" class="">meisenscher@gmail.com</a>>; "chuck woolery" <<a href="mailto:chuck@igc.org" class="">chuck@igc.org</a>>; "David McReynolds" <<a href="mailto:davidmcreynolds7@gmail.com" class="">davidmcreynolds7@gmail.com</a>>;
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Cc: "Committees of Correspondence" <<a href="mailto:national@cc-ds.org" class="">national@cc-ds.org</a>>; "ufpj-activist" <<a href="mailto:ufpj-activist@lists.mayfirst.org" class="">ufpj-activist@lists.mayfirst.org</a>></div>
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: [ufpj-activist] The election</div>
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<div class=""><font size="4" class="">My understanding is that there are degrees and varieties of psychopathy. The hallmark is willingness to sacrifice others</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font size="4" class="">and lack of remorse. Psychopaths
can be charming, intelligent and seem like leaders. Thus they often rise to the top. I would argue that our systems (political and economic) reward and promote psychopaths.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font></div>
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<div class=""><font size="4" class="">Trump can act the psychopath in the scripted world of reality TV, but he’s too disorganized and insecure to really succeed.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font size="4" class="">When Clinton cackled over the brutal killing of Ghaddafi it looked like psychopathy to me.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font size="4" class="">Like I said, the system promotes psychopaths. Dick Cheney is one of the worst, at home in Washington DC and corporate board rooms.</font></div>
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<div class=""><font size="4" class="">I expect Clinton to become president and push for war with Russia. She’ll try to justify it with liberal rhetoric. She claims that climate change is her number one concern. If that is true, then hopefully it will stymie
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<div class="">I doubt that any of us are clinically qualified to classify either of them psychologically but we certainly are qualified to speak about the likely impact of the policies they advocate. Clinton may have her own personality disorders but to equate
her with Trump makes it too easy to dismiss or trivialize her - unless you want to argue that an entire segment of the ruling class whose policies she advocates and on whose behalf she serves is psychologically deranged. She is simply being true to her class
interests. The Donald, on the other hand, is quite obviously a very disturbed, unstable and psychologically damaged human being. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="">It may be clever but not very helpful to psychologically stereotype
them - though I admit Trump offers a more compelling invitation to do so. It is more useful to speak about what they actually do and stand for, which is not identical. She is a political animal who quite obviously can be moved on some issues by a sufficiently
powerful mass movement. If people truly believe she is as big a nut case as Trump, it will be harder to mobilize them to confront her if she is elected. Real psychopaths are far less likely to succumb to popular pressure.</span></div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [ufpj-activist] The election<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I’m thinking that maybe Clinton is just as crazy as Trump, but in a different way. The late Daniel Singer once wrote in The Nation about<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David McReynolds<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I agree, we are moving into a Cold War and we must prevent that. The old US Empire is dead but many in Washington have not adjusted to that. We see the same thing in the Middle East, where
Iran, which has not attacked anyone in over a hundred years, simply wants to take its historic role as a force in the Middle East - and Netanyahu is fighting this new adjustment.</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Brussel, Morton K <<a class="">brussel@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">A well reasoned piece, except for the fact that we are already in a “new Cold War”, one likely not to be alleviated by a “new” administration. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Oct 9, 2016, at 12:36 AM, David McReynolds <<a class="">davidmcreynolds7@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">On this Saturday evening, as I clear things in my small apartment and so there is room for friends coming over on Sunday evening for the debate, the election has already been
decided, with the release of the Trump tapes.</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">The GOP is in disarray, there is talk of asking Trump to withdraw (a month</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">before the election), perhaps to have Pence take his place. But it is too late, and the election will go forward with Trump facing a clear defeat by Hillary Clinton.</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">For one thing, leaving aside the monumental legal problems involved in replacing Donald Trump as the GOP candidate, the hard reality is that Trump would not go quietly and, if
replaced, his supporters, who are fervent, would simply not turn up at the polls. If they cannot vote for Trump, it is unlikely they will vote at all (and certain they would not vote for Clinton).</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Hillary will win by default, no matter what the GOP does now. There are things we do not yet know - will Pence, in hopes of leading the Republican ticket in 2020, withdraw from
the ticket? What impact with the current fiasco have on the Senate races?</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">The real question is what will the Republican Party do now. The neo-cons support Clinton, and some of Trump's ideas actually made sense (though one never knew which of his ideas
he was attached to). His willingness to reach a detente with Russia made much more sense than Clinton's possible drift to a new Cold War. His determination to end "nation building" was sound.</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">Will what is left of the Republican Party pick up on Trump's desire to rebuild our own country? (Trump was absolutely right that the blood and treasure expended in Iraq and Afghanistan
was a monumental waste). The problem for the Republicans is that the alternatives to Trump, who may take control of the GOP after Trump's defeat, are, if anything, worse that Trump. Cruz and Pence are both very hard right.<br class="">
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Trump's defeat will put an end to the ominous gathering of racists into the GOP, for the conservatives were correct - this was almost certainly the last hurrah for all the aging white males who sought to turn the clock back to the 1950's. (And if there was
one thing quite clear about Trump, it is that he was a racist to the core, from the Central Park Five to his effort to question Obama's citizenship).</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">The one hope I see is that Hillary Clinton will not have a free hand - for, leaving aside the problems she will face with Congress, the American people are deeply tired of endless
wars. And if we are stunned that Trump rose so high and exposed such a terrible hole in the American soul (as I listened to the evangelical Christians embrace Trump I had the feeling they have never actually read the New Testament), we also saw "that other
America",which has always been there - the enormously powerful movement around Bernie Sanders.</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p xmlns:o="#unknown" class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: blue;" class="">We may see things much more clearly by the end of the debate tomorrow but it is clear enough already that Trump will remain the Republican nominee, and that he will be defeated
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