<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_25964"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_28109">Well what do you know... I agree (sort of, in part) with David Green.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26159"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26164">I've been trying to keep a low profile lately, this is too precious to ignore.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26161">Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has been pushing the nanothermite angle for almost a decade now, but there's one connected issue that they never will discuss.... that being who and how was it applied to the tens of thousands of steel girders in the WTC?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26686">According to Neils Harritt (AE911truth principal) it would take thousands of tons of nanothermite (an incendiary, not explosive) to accomplish the controlled demolition of the WTC. And, nanothermite, even super-duper nanothermite (marginally increased explosivity) does not have the detonation velocity required to pulverize steel and concrete. It has to be applied in a similar manner that conventional controlled demolition techniques require. This means that a small army of applicators and months of work would be required to accomplish the destruction of the WTCs. ... would be impossible to conceal.... and the towers would not have fallen at free-fall speed....don't need to be a physicist to figure this out.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_29806">Only nuclear weapons (multiple modified mininukes) could do this with a minimum effort and personnel.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_28390">Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth people fall all over themselves trying NOT to point any fingers at who (Neocon / Zionists) </span>was responsible for 9/11, making them one of the principle gatekeepers of 9/11 Truth. By attempting to keep the buzz focused on the physical rather than political aspects of 9/11 they have successfully deflected attention away from Israeli complicity in 9/11, but this has its limitations.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_28689">But, kudos to anyone on this thread for bringing up the obvious about 9/11 before me....that it was NOT the patsy hijackers...but our own government(s).</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_28996">Google 'Israel 9/11 Truth' to find the answers... but you have to wade through droves of misinformation, lies and propaganda to find the truth.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr">The 9/11 Truth movement is strong, growing and amassing more finely-tuned details than ever.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26162" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1476347175885_26220"><span><br></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:42 AM, "peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Send Peace-discuss mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss-owner@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss-owner@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss-owner@lists.chambana.net</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Peace-discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Advanced Pyrotechnic or Explosive Material Discovered in<br> WTC Dust (Roger Helbig)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 01:41:28 -0700<br>From: Roger Helbig <<a ymailto="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com" href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com">rwhelbig@gmail.com</a>><br>To: David Johnson <<a ymailto="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>>, Peace-discuss<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Advanced Pyrotechnic or Explosive<br> Material Discovered in WTC Dust<br>Message-ID:<br> <CALZ0NqV-E1=DF3sxOMQmO3MMV6SkCYB_=_sH1+<a ymailto="mailto:5o-x6vcF1KUg@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:5o-x6vcF1KUg@mail.gmail.com">5o-x6vcF1KUg@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>David,<br><br>Are you now a 9/11 Truther or have you always been - this article is full<br>of pure unadulterated bullshit - if you examine these alleged scholarly<br>articles, you will find authors who are not scientists, etc. - I used to<br>look into these a lot. They make up terms like nano thermites - sounds<br>really good - has the in-word nano in it and thermite will cut steel, but<br>do you know anything about the basic chemistry or do you just think that<br>the words imply that someone actually knows what they are talking about?<br><br>On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:47 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <<br><a ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Advanced Pyrotechnic or Explosive Material Discovered in WTC Dust<br>> <<a href="http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/351-advanced-pyrotechnic-or-explosive-material-discovered-in-wtc-dust.html" target="_blank">http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/351-advanced-pyrotechnic-or-explosive-material-discovered-in-wtc-dust.html</a>><br>><br>> [image: Description: Print]<br>> <<a href="http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news/351-advanced-pyrotechnic-or-explosive-material-discovered-in-wtc-dust.html?tmpl=component&print=1&page=" target="_blank">http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news/351-advanced-pyrotechnic-or-explosive-material-discovered-in-wtc-dust.html?tmpl=component&print=1&page=</a>><br>><br>> [image: Description: E-mail]<br>> <<a href="http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/component/mailto/?tmpl=component&link=ecdaf754755d38ef8fcd246672dfce907d403789" target="_blank">http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/component/mailto/?tmpl=component&link=ecdaf754755d38ef8fcd246672dfce907d403789</a>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Tuesday, 24 August 2010 20:38<br>><br>> Starting in 2007, a group of independent researchers began examining the<br>> dust from the World Trade Center disaster to see if identifiable residues<br>> might help explain the highly energetic destruction that was observed in<br>> the videos. Naked-eye and microscopic examination revealed numerous tiny<br>> metallic and magnetically attracted spheres and red/gray chips, quite<br>> distinctive in the dust samples.<br>><br>> [image: Description: <a href="http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/infoitems/pyro2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/infoitems/pyro2.jpg</a>]*Highly<br>> energetic pyrotechnic or explosive red/gray chips discovered in WTC dust<br>> samples*<br>><br>> The existence of iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust was documented in<br>> 2004<br>> <<a href="http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=239769" target="_blank">http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=239769</a>><br>> and 2005 <<a href="http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/508OF05-1165.html#heading08" target="_blank">http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/508OF05-1165.html#heading08</a>>.<br>> But nothing yet had been published about the red/gray chips in the dust<br>> until Steven Jones first described them in 2007. What might have been<br>> misinterpreted as the residue of common paint when seen with the naked eye<br>> proved to be a highly energetic advanced nano-composite material.<br>><br>> [image: Description: <a href="http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/infoitems/zoom.jpg" target="_blank">http://www2.ae911truth.org/images/infoitems/zoom.jpg</a>]In<br>> April 2009, a team of scientists that included physicist Steven Jones<br>> (formerly BYU), chemist Niels Harrit (University of Copenhagen, Denmark),<br>> physicist Jeffrey Farrer (BYU), and six other authors published their<br>> findings regarding the red/gray chips in the peer-reviewed paper “Active<br>> Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center<br>> Catastrophe<br>> <<a href="http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm" target="_blank">http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm</a>>,” The<br>> Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, 2, 7-31, available online. Red/gray<br>> chips from four different WTC dust samples were examined using scanning<br>> electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and<br>> differential scanning calorimetry. The main findings of the study are as<br>> follows:<br>><br>> The material in the red layer consists of intimately mixed particles of<br>> iron oxide and aluminum embedded in a carbon-rich matrix. The particles<br>> range in size from tens to hundreds of nanometers. Elemental aluminum was<br>> present in thin plate-like structures, while iron oxide was present as<br>> faceted grains, roughly 100 nm across – about a thousand times smaller than<br>> a human hair.<br>><br>> Iron oxide and aluminum are the ingredients of classic thermite, an<br>> incendiary that burns unusually hot at approximately 4500°F, producing<br>> aluminum oxide and molten iron. The carbon content of the matrix indicates<br>> the presence of an organic substance.<br>><br>> When the red/gray chips were heated to about 430° C. (806° F.), they<br>> ignited, releasing relatively large amounts of energy very fast. This<br>> behavior matches “fairly closely an independent observation on a known<br>> super-thermite sample”, as reported in a paper published by researchers<br>> associated with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories. The residue of<br>> the ignited red/gray chips included iron-rich spheres, “indicating that a<br>> very high temperature reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich product<br>> clearly must have been molten to form these shapes.” The chemical signature<br>> of the spheres and spheroids “strikingly matches the chemical signature of<br>> the spheroids produced by igniting commercial thermite, and also matches<br>> the signatures of many of the microspheres found in the WTC dust.”<br>><br>> The scientists concluded based on all their findings that the red layer of<br>> the red/ gray chips “is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating<br>> nanotechnology,” and that it “is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or<br>> explosive material.” See the published study for the remainder of the<br>> findings.<br>><br>> Energetic nanothermitic compounds have been researched since the 1990s.<br>> One “advantage” of nanothermites as stated in the literature is their<br>> ability to enhance the destructive effect of high explosives; the high rate<br>> of reaction in nanothermites allows the main explosive charge to release<br>> its energy even faster<br>> <<a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/NanoTech/14105/?a=f" target="_blank">http://www.technologyreview.com/NanoTech/14105/?a=f</a>> when nanothermite<br>> is used as an igniter. Such igniters also do not leave behind<br>> lead-containing residues as lead azide igniters do. Nanothermitic composite<br>> materials have been extensively researched by US national labs. The energy<br>> release of these special materials can be tailored<br>> <<a href="http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ6_1.pdf" target="_blank">http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ6_1.pdf</a>> for various<br>> applications, they can be designed to be explosive<br>> <<a href="https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/318263.pdf" target="_blank">https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/318263.pdf</a>> by adding gas-releasing<br>> compounds (such as what the matrix of the WTC chips' red layer might<br>> consist of) and they have potential for easy storage and safe handling.<br>><br>> As of 2002, the production process at the Naval Surface Warfare Center for<br>> ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum, alone, required several pieces<br>> <<a href="http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ6_1.pdf" target="_blank">http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/pdf/AMPQ6_1.pdf</a>> of high-tech equipment.<br>> The article states: “The current state of UFG aluminum production is that<br>> this is an area that still requires considerable effort” (AMPTIAC<br>> Quarterly, Special Issue, “DOD Researchers Provide A Look Inside<br>> Nanotechnology,” 2002).<br>><br>> Red/gray chips, with a red layer that comprises ultra fine grain aluminum<br>> platelets intimately mixed with faceted grains of nanosized iron oxide,<br>> embedded in a carbon-rich matrix, cannot have been widely available in<br>> 2001. Niels Harrit, lead author of the study, stated “These new findings<br>> confirm and extend the earlier finding of previously molten, iron-rich<br>> microspheres in the World Trade Center dust. They provide strong forensic<br>> evidence that the official explanation of the WTC’s destruction is wrong.”<br>><br>> Given the explosive nature of the destruction of the WTC Twin Towers along<br>> with the finding of this high-tech nanocomposite pyrotechnic or explosive<br>> material in the WTC dust samples, there exists strong evidence which should<br>> compel all who are aware to be active in supporting AE911Truth in our<br>> effort to obtain a real investigation.<br>><br>> *See also the essays by Jim Hoffman "Explosives Found in World Trade<br>> Center Dust<br>> <<a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html" target="_blank">http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html</a>>", and<br>> "Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives<br>> <<a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosives_evidence_timeline.html" target="_blank">http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosives_evidence_timeline.html</a>>"<br>> at 911Research.com *<br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Peace-discuss mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment.html</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: image001.png<br>Type: image/png<br>Size: 379 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment.png" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment.png</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: image004.jpg<br>Type: image/jpeg<br>Size: 34803 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment.jpg" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment.jpg</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: image003.jpg<br>Type: image/jpeg<br>Size: 20832 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment-0001.jpg" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment-0001.jpg</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: image002.png<br>Type: image/png<br>Size: 428 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment-0001.png" target="_blank">http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20161013/2dd0945b/attachment-0001.png</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 153, Issue 42<br>**********************************************<br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>