<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163192" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163535">If the "reality" just "seems to be," then it's not reality. It is, as you say, just "reality" to you.</span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163534"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163179" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163178"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163177"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163176"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163530"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163532"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:50 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] What last night's debate should have been about<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163193"><br><div id="yiv1572853607"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163200"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163199"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476923368971_13119"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163539"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163538" class="">The reality that Clinton is every bit if not more dangerous than Trump does not seem to interest you. The reality that she is unanimously supported by the bipartisan elite who benefit from our war machine does not seem to interest you. The reality to me seems to be that Clinton represents the views of John McCain and Mitt Romney in her neocon/neolib policies. That's ironic, considering how afraid we were supposed to be of both of them in relation to Obama. I would at least hope that the irony of this choice might interest you.</font></font></div> <div class="yiv1572853607qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163647"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1572853607yqt3400773078" id="yiv1572853607yqt38086"><div class="yiv1572853607yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163198"> <div style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163197"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163196"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163662"><font face="Arial" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163661"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163660"><font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163659"> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:33 PM, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_163195"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv1572853607y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1572853607"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105576"><span></span></div><div class="yiv1572853607qtdSeparateBR" dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105577"><font><font>I am interested in reality-based claims, but I haven't heard any. And I don't resort to ridicule. I merely take advantage of the opportunities.</font></font><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1572853607yqt4737424263" id="yiv1572853607yqt07639"><div class="yiv1572853607yahoo_quoted" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105581" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105580" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105579" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105578"> <font id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105889" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105891" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>From:</font></font></span></b><font><font> David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com></font></font><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>To:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com>; Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica@gmail.com>; Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com> </font></font><br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Cc:</font></font></span></b><font><font> peace <peace@lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; Occupy CU <occupy.cu@gmail.com></font></font><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Sent:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Wednesday, October 19, 2016 1:19 PM</font></font><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Subject:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] What last night's debate should have been about</font></font><br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv1572853607y_msg_container" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105593"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv1572853607"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105592"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105591" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476900674399_7228"><font><font>Gregg, I guess you're not interested in any reality-based claims; so you resort to ridicule. </font></font></div> <div class="yiv1572853607qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105604"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1572853607yqt8350874866" id="yiv1572853607yqt83083"><div class="yiv1572853607yahoo_quoted" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105590" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105589" style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105588" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105602"><font id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105612" face="Arial" size="2"><font><font> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:12 AM, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"></font></div> <blockquote id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105587" style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv1572853607y_msg_container" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105586"><div id="yiv1572853607"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105585"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105584" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27879"><span><font><font>Oh please. Don't you ever get tired of being ridiculous?</font></font></span></div><div class="yiv1572853607qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27880"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1572853607yqt9140451458" id="yiv1572853607yqt65534"><div class="yiv1572853607yahoo_quoted" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27885" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27884" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27883" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27882"> <font id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27881" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27944" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>From:</font></font></span></b><font><font> David Green <davegreen84@yahoo.com></font></font><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>To:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Debra Schrishuhn <deb.pdamerica@gmail.com>; Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com> </font></font><br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Cc:</font></font></span></b><font><font> peace <peace@lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; Gregg Gordon <ggregg79@yahoo.com>; Occupy CU <occupy.cu@gmail.com></font></font><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Sent:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:56 AM</font></font><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Subject:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] What last night's debate should have been about</font></font><br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv1572853607y_msg_container" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27946"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv1572853607"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27949"><div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_27948" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_4707"><font><font>To assume that Hillary Clinton does not want to incinerate her own fortune, and that Trump is more likely to, is based on stereotypical reactions rather than reality; that is, it is based on absolutely nothing other than personal bias. </font></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_4709"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_4710"><font><font>Hillary got to where she is by not considering herself responsible for the consequences of her actions. Her neoconservative doctrine and the consequences of her enactment of that doctrine is a matter of historical record; that is, millions of deaths.</font></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5180"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5251"><font><font>Hillary has this election in the bag, with the help of overwhelming bias of the mainstream (liberal) media. Yet, her supporters behave desperately. The double standards regarding sexual behavior/assault are obvious and shameless. HRC is married to a sexual predator from whom we are instructed (by liberals and "progressive Democrats") to "move on."</font></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5727"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5726"><font><font>Liberal feminism has never sunk this low before; at least I hope not.</font></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5872"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5873"><font><font>Obviously, I'm voting for Jill Stein, not that my vote matters.</font></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5523"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5524"><font><font>DG</font></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5179"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476881084540_5178"><br clear="none"></div> <div class="yiv1572853607qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1572853607yahoo_quoted" id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105954" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105953" style="font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476879084630_105952" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv1572853607yqt5811904590" id="yiv1572853607yqt74523"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"><font><font> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:19 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv1572853607y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1572853607"><div><div><font><font>Agree with you, Gregg</font></font></div><div><font><font>Deb</font></font><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><font><font>Sent from my iPhone</font></font></div><div class="yiv1572853607yqt1409501551" id="yiv1572853607yqt80457"><div><br clear="none"><font><font>On Oct 12, 2016, at 7:23 AM, Karen Aram via Peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><font><font>You've made some good points here, worthy of further discussion, though I personally don't care to engage in discussions related to electoral politics, or the two major candidates.
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<div><font><font>It must be noted that while neither candidate holding the reigns of power are likely to want to incinerate their own fortunes, accidents and blowback do happen. While incinerating the other half of humanity, that should be kept in mind. I doubt that has
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<b><font><font>Sent:</font></font></b><font><font> Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:18:15 AM</font></font><br clear="none">
<b><font><font>To:</font></font></b><font><font> C. G. Estabrook; Karen Aram</font></font><br clear="none">
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<div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476217683641_75678"><span id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476217683641_75677"><font><font>Left or right is hardly the point when it comes to Donald Trump anymore. The point is the mental stability of a man who seeks control of thousands of nuclear weapons.
You want to talk about war? Yeah, let's talk about it. </font></font></span></div>
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<div id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476217683641_75678"><span id="yiv1572853607yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476217683641_77039"><font><font>To take this discussion to the lowest level possible -- why waste time, after all -- I trust the corrupt and evil Hillary Clinton to not want to incinerate the
fortune she has worked so hard to acquire. Trump has just gone "nuclear" with his campaign, and I have no reason to think he wouldn't do so with the real thing -- and all of our lives --given the opportunity.</font></font></span></div>
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-- not even close -- so someone in that camp has not done a very good job, certainly not enough to inspire confidence in me that that is a promising alternative. But hey -- you never know. The polls could be wrong. This might be the time. Success is just
around the corner. Democracy's on the march. So if you want to vote Green, vote Green. In my opinion, that makes you 99.44% pure, and .56% relevant , which frankly, is exactly where I want you.</font></font></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Cc:</font></font></span></b><font><font> John W. <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com"><font><font>jbw292002@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>>; peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>; Peace-discuss List <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>; Gregg Gordon <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com"><font><font>ggregg79@yahoo.com</font></font></a><font><font>>; Occupy CU <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com"><font><font>occupy.cu@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;"><font><font>Sent:</font></font></span></b><font><font> Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:32 AM</font></font><br clear="none">
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I think the correct course is to continue to point out that Stein-Baraka are far superior to either ‘major’ party on the issues, especially war.
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We still need to answer the objection that a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump, by pointing out that Trump has accurately criticized Clinton’s neocon warmongering.</font></font><br clear="none">
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As Glen Ford and others point out, Trump is substantially to the left of Clinton on foreign policy (and perhaps economic policy - the trade pacts - as well).</font></font><br clear="none">
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That’s why the Democrats want to focus on the ‘personal’ - and we should talk about war.</font></font><br clear="none">
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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> This Karen Capel person is continuing to stalk me, just like Roger Helbig, either on or off the List, they are incapable of discussing the issues so they just lash out with insults, Greg is another one.
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> Many Americans like Trump, because he represents this level of people. </font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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> Then of course a few academics and intellectuals also like Trump but thats because they only listen to the “true things" Trump says in order to discredit the “Left”. He lacks credibility so nothing he says is meaningful, and anyone who supports him in the
US is also vilified as a result. People who are intellectuals and academics supporting Trump aren’t in touch with mainstream media or people. They are looking at the big picture, and the potential for disaster. Unfortunately, any assumption that a jerk like
Trump would reverse our path to destruction is misguided. Republicans and Democrats follow the same foreign policy, they may play good cop, bad cop with the American people but throwing a bone or two to the starving is of little comfort.
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> Then we have those who support Hillary because she presents the image of the lesser evil, at least in respect to America, these are people who don’t recognize we live in a global world, not just a county, state, or nation. So when it hits home, they aren’t
able to grasp the fact that it’s all connected, when they do, it will likely be too late.
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> Chomsky’s "Manufactured Consent" in spades.</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 21:22, C. G. Estabrook <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com"><font><font>carl@newsfromneptune.com</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>> —allows us to form answers to common objections/shows us what views are being encouraged by government & media.</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:06 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>> Another troll, Gregg, who has nothing of value to add, just insults. No concern for the issues facing humanity, just insults.
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>>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 20:50, Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>> I suggest you hold your breath until you turn blue.</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>> From: C. G. Estabrook <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com"><font><font>carl@newsfromneptune.com</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>> To: Gregg Gordon <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com"><font><font>ggregg79@yahoo.com</font></font></a><font><font>>
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>>>> Cc: John W. <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com"><font><font>jbw292002@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>>; peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>;
Peace-discuss List <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>; sf-core <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com"><font><font>sf-core@yahoogroups.com</font></font></a><font><font>>;
Occupy CU <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com"><font><font>occupy.cu@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:32 PM</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] What last night's debate should have been about</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>> Verbally. But Clinton’s stomping killed a lot of people. As Trump said, she should be in jail - in The Hague, awaiting trial on war crimes charges.
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>>>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Gregg Gordon <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com"><font><font>ggregg79@yahoo.com</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>> You're right. He did a lot of stomping.</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>> From: C. G. Estabrook <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com"><font><font>carl@newsfromneptune.com</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>> To: Gregg Gordon <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggregg79@yahoo.com"><font><font>ggregg79@yahoo.com</font></font></a><font><font>>
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>>>>> Cc: John W. <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com"><font><font>jbw292002@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>>; peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>;
Peace-discuss List <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>; sf-core <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com"><font><font>sf-core@yahoogroups.com</font></font></a><font><font>>;
Occupy CU <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com"><font><font>occupy.cu@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:10 PM</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] What last night's debate should have been about</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>> Trump was quite clear and concise in Sunday’s debate when he stomped on Pence’s neocon fire-breathing on Syria: “I didn’t talk to him and he’s wrong”!</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>> —CGE</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>>> When he attempted to address policy, it came out as an incoherent string of seemingly random phrases in no particular order -- nothing approaching a complete sentence, not sure there was a subject OR a verb in there. Carl's quote must have gotten some
help from the journalist who quoted him, just to find places to put punctuation.</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>>> From: John W. via Peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>>> To: C. G. Estabrook <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com"><font><font>carl@newsfromneptune.com</font></font></a><font><font>>
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>>>>>> Cc: peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>; Peace-discuss List <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>>;
sf-core <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sf-core@yahoogroups.com"><font><font>sf-core@yahoogroups.com</font></font></a><font><font>>; Occupy CU <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:occupy.cu@gmail.com"><font><font>occupy.cu@gmail.com</font></font></a><font><font>></font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 8:12 PM</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] What last night's debate should have been about</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>>> Vote for Donald Trump. He's a foreign policy genius!</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:47 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <</font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"><font><font>peace@lists.chambana.net</font></font></a><font><font>> wrote:</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>>> </font></font><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://consortiumnews.com/"><font><font>https://consortiumnews.com/
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>>>>>> ...“Now, she talks tough,” [Trump] said of Clinton: “She talks really tough against Putin and against Assad. She talks in favor of the rebels. She doesn’t even know who the rebels are. You know, every time we take rebels whether it’s in Iraq or anywhere
else, we’re arming people. And you know what happens? They end up being worse than the people [they overthrow]. Look at what she did in Libya with Gaddafi. Gaddafi is out. It’s a mess. And by the way, ISIS has a good chunk of their oil. I’m sure you’ve probably
have heard that. It was a disaster. The fact is almost everything she has done has been a mistake and it’s been a disaster.”</font></font><br clear="none"><font><font>
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>>>>>> Trump’s comment was correct, more or less ... Hillary Clinton has made it crystal clear. Anyone who votes for her is voting for greatly expanded warfare in the Middle East and probably military confrontation with Russia elsewhere as well. As bad as things
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