<div dir="ltr">you have no idea what I did years ago, or what my political positions are (even with regard to this election). here there was a choice between two people, trump and clinton. one of them was going to win. you can't avoid that choice by voting for some third party candidate that has no chance of winning, because when you do so, hand in hand with demonizing clinton, you effectively support trump. that how all of you struck the moral balance and you can't avoid the consequences and as for money francis, how wealthy are you? a good deal more than I would wager.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Boyle, Francis A <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fboyle@illinois.edu" target="_blank">fboyle@illinois.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Excuse me. Years ago, you abandoned the Law and the Peace Movement in order to make
<u>money. </u>You have no right or standing to attack those of us standing up for the Rule of Law and Peace. Go back to Mammon!<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bryan Savage [mailto:<a href="mailto:bryan@sneezingdogs.com" target="_blank">bryan@sneezingdogs.com</a><wbr>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> C. G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" target="_blank">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>>; Boyle, Francis A <<a href="mailto:fboyle@illinois.edu" target="_blank">fboyle@illinois.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:chicago@worldcantwait.net" target="_blank">chicago@worldcantwait.net</a>; Amanda Bass <<a href="mailto:abass10@gmail.com" target="_blank">abass10@gmail.com</a>>; Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>; David Johnson <<a href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" target="_blank">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>><wbr>; Stuart Levy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>>;
Lina Thorne <<a href="mailto:lina@worldcantwait.net" target="_blank">lina@worldcantwait.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:mickalideh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mickalideh@gmail.com</a>; Dave Trippel <<a href="mailto:davetrippel@ameritech.net" target="_blank">davetrippel@ameritech.net</a>>; Arlene Hickory <<a href="mailto:a23h23@yahoo.com" target="_blank">a23h23@yahoo.com</a>>; David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>>; Karen Medina <<a href="mailto:kmedina67@gmail.com" target="_blank">kmedina67@gmail.com</a>>; Mildred O'brien <<a href="mailto:moboct1@aim.com" target="_blank">moboct1@aim.com</a>>; Szoke, Ron
<<a href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu" target="_blank">r-szoke@illinois.edu</a>>; Readel, Karin <<a href="mailto:kereadel@illinois.edu" target="_blank">kereadel@illinois.edu</a>>; Belden Fields <<a href="mailto:a-fields@uiuc.edu" target="_blank">a-fields@uiuc.edu</a>>; Hoffman, Valerie J <<a href="mailto:vhoffman@illinois.edu" target="_blank">vhoffman@illinois.edu</a>>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <<a href="mailto:jtmiller@illinois.edu" target="_blank">jtmiller@illinois.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:sherwoodross10@gmail.com" target="_blank">sherwoodross10@gmail.com</a>; David Swanson <<a href="mailto:davidcnswanson@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidcnswanson@gmail.com</a>>;
Jay <<a href="mailto:futureup2us@gmail.com" target="_blank">futureup2us@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more.<br>
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For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both.<br>
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There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large.<br>
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> On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage <<a href="mailto:bryan@sneezingdogs.com" target="_blank">bryan@sneezingdogs.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this:<br>
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> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" target="_blank">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running
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>> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too.<br>
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