<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hmm … no. No, I’m sorry, Bob: even if you’re trying, your head hasn’t cleared.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“…amen gang of Green Party thugs…” isn’t even up to the standard of “Green Party Death Cult.” </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“Get off of my lawn!” counts as Democratic party assertiveness these days?<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Carl and his amen gang of Green Party thugs haven't yet made a <i class="">prima facie</i> case for why they should be talking about this at all, when it has nothing to do with them. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If Carl sued me in court for not keeping up the grounds of my house and thereby reducing the property values in my neighborhood, every judge would throw out the case. Carl does not live in my neighborhood. He has no standing to sue. What goes on in my neighborhood has nothing to do with him. My neighbors haven't elected him or retained his services to represent their interests. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Robert Naiman<br class="">Policy Director<br class="">Just Foreign Policy<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=UrmBMy2lJ6ycV581aUyAUHK8S7H2tO9wdteYRyFih8s&s=0_9YiD6kk1LT8rzxP5XFHBxrA_BPk-rq82zUsiUDghU&e=" target="_blank" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><div class=""><span style="text-align:left" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</span><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:31 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Have you been into the cooking sherry tonight, Bob?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ease up: “pro-Nazi” is not so inventive as “Green Party Death Cult.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You’re losing focus. </div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3158279576595551115Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">What does this have to do with you, Carl? Why would anyone care about your pro-Nazi opinion? <div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Robert Naiman<br class="">Policy Director<br class="">Just Foreign Policy<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=AaxRMYGO2phVigP8Il2n7Xc0VPxBHLo4mwnBskas6s4&e=" target="_blank" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><div class=""><span style="text-align:left" class=""><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:08 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">“Green Party Death Cult”?! Are you projecting Clinton’s (and Ellison’s) no-fly zones?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But don’t worry; I think more and more people will indeed leave the Democratic Party alone...<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Those who want to know what “the Sanders-Warren wing” of the Democratic Party is actually like, should consult </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"Bernie and the Sandernistas: Field Notes from a Failed Revolution" (2016) by Jeffrey St. Clair.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(I’ll supply a copy to members of this list who ask). —CGE</div><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Why are the views of the Green Party Death Cult relevant to the projects of the Sanders-Warren wing of the Democratic Party inside the Democratic Party?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Go have a seance with Jill Stein and leave us alone. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Robert Naiman<br class="">Policy Director<br class="">Just Foreign Policy<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=y_Dh0YXrmQRX0K91AOWL5f1Fmob1MP2vo9LqpAsqpdQ&e=" target="_blank" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><div class=""><span style="text-align:left" class=""><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:16 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">The idea that the three "serious candidates" to lead [sic] the DNC are “two corporate lobbyists” and a person "whose primary mission is make self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars” is an indication of the terminal lack of political seriousness in the Democratic party - so painfully on display in the recent election. Écrasez l’infâme.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ellison’s delicts have been clear all along, as David Swanson points out: <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.counterpunch.org_2016_11_17_the-2Dskeletons-2Din-2Dkeith-2Dellisons-2Ddisplay-2Dcase_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=ACpJVo_3gQKNLFGYPFW8Og19TjY-f9V0HH2XDiQxkCE&e=" target="_blank" class="">http://www.counterpunch.org/2<wbr class="">016/11/17/the-skeletons-in-kei<wbr class="">th-ellisons-display-case/</a>>.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571h5"><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571m_-20753158715806171Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I like Glen Ford as an individual human being. He's had me on his radio show. He's a very nice, affable guy.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But as an authority on the topic at hand - and this piece is from three years ago - Glen Ford is not credible. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyone who thinks that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Ellison and McCain on war and peace is not a serious person. It's a free country. People can say whatever they want. You can be a Truther, a Birther, an anti-vaxxer. But, given that people have other things to do with their lives, people who are serious shouldn't waste time with such things. And, of course, people who support the Green Party are not meaningful authority on the affairs of progressive Democrats. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here are the three serious candidates. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__theintercept.com_2016_11_15_race-2Dfor-2Dnext-2Ddnc-2Dchair-2Dis-2Dbetween-2Damericas-2Dfirst-2Dmuslim-2Dcongressman-2Dand-2Dtwo-2Dcorporate-2Dlobbyists_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=QaMQFOBtMzKOuPEhVI-FaYAXAgrbQlGlTwFeUeWAoYw&e=" target="_blank" class="">https://theintercept.com/2016/<wbr class="">11/15/race-for-next-dnc-chair-<wbr class="">is-between-americas-first-musl<wbr class="">im-congressman-and-two-corpora<wbr class="">te-lobbyists/</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571m_-20753158715806171gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Robert Naiman<br class="">Policy Director<br class="">Just Foreign Policy<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=y_Dh0YXrmQRX0K91AOWL5f1Fmob1MP2vo9LqpAsqpdQ&e=" target="_blank" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><div class=""><span style="text-align:left" class=""><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 2:58 PM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" class="">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">“Ellison is part of the pro-war Left, whose primary mission is make self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars.”<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_content_rep-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Dpersonification-2Dphony-2Dpro-2Dwar-2D-25E2-2580-259Cprogressive-25E2-2580-259D&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=EIUKlAYzLzRoi2Sz9_5-CRVg04I-6N3DUwl1PoLhihc&e=" target="_blank" class="">http://www.blackagendareport.c<wbr class="">om/content/rep-keith-ellison-p<wbr class="">ersonification-phony-pro-war-%<wbr class="">E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571m_-20753158715806171h5"><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571m_-20753158715806171m_-7150399306290937187Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571m_-20753158715806171h5"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">There is a central committee meeting on November 30. We'll be asking them to pass a resolution in support of Keith Ellison's candidacy to lead the DNC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here's our petition at MoveOn:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@ChampaignCoDems: Back @KeithEllison for #DNCChair<br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__petitions.moveon.org_sign_champaigncodems-2Dback-3Fr-5Fby-3D1135580&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ldAG6OBO8q4pxnelPFN8Fic5NhIlw3sy-8VE3aACTWY&s=weoxkRkaz0gRR-g7_Ka1nZIn_Ne3N3R6AqR8LNqENAo&e=" target="_blank" class="">http://petitions.moveon.org/si<wbr class="">gn/champaigncodems-back?r_by=1<wbr class="">135580</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">===</div><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-3158279576595551115m_7421831104834034571m_-20753158715806171m_-7150399306290937187gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Robert Naiman<br class="">Policy Director<br class="">Just Foreign Policy<br class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ldAG6OBO8q4pxnelPFN8Fic5NhIlw3sy-8VE3aACTWY&s=hsuwGbaPcZQKKiXAikyH78K0FAuEqheMZSITRt7NhX4&e=" target="_blank" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><div class=""><span style="text-align:left" class=""><a href="tel:%28202%29%20448-2898%20x1" value="+12024482898" target="_blank" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</a></span><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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