<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479826109753_6684">Given that there are lots of people who think this, and lots of people who think that. Because they live in a world and have experience that results in them thinking this or that. So we should focus on the this or on the that, rather than on the person doing the thinking or having the experience. And besides, it's not always either or in these matters, it may be partly both. And we probably need both the this people and the that people to either constructively engage the powers that be, or to resist same powers that be. It will probably take both, even both working partly together, after a fashion.</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:23 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2536525436"><div><div dir="ltr">You're a fraud, Carl. You're a huckster, a charlatan, a snake-oil salesman, a carnival barker, just like your Fuhrer Trump. You're a corrupt, lying, deceitful abusive bully, too enamored of your own penis. <div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv2536525436gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="yiv2536525436gmail_signature">Robert Naiman<br clear="none">Policy Director<br clear="none">Just Foreign Policy<br clear="none"><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br clear="none"><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a></div></div>
<br clear="none"><div class="yiv2536525436gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:52 AM, C. G. Estabrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2536525436gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div>Instead of Clinton’s slavish devotion to AIPAC? Or Obama’s massive pay-off to Netanyahu?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The Trump administration may easily do better, e.g.,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>"General under consideration by Trump for Defense has slammed Israel for impending ‘apartheid’”:</div><div><a href="http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/consideration-impending-apartheid/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/ consideration-impending- apartheid/</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>—CGE</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="yiv2536525436h5"><div>On Nov 22, 2016, at 2:45 AM, Robert Naiman <a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a> [sf-core] <<a href="mailto:sf-core-noreply@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sf-core-noreply@yahoogroups.com">sf-core-noreply@yahoogroups. com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"></div></div><div><div id="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><div id="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524ygrp-msg" style="line-height:1.22em;"><div><div class="yiv2536525436h5"><div id="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524ygrp-text" style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;"><div style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;"><br class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524webkit-block-placeholder" clear="none"></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;" dir="ltr"><div class="yiv2536525436gmail_extra" style="line-height:1.22em;"><div style="line-height:1.22em;"><div class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524gmail_signature" style="line-height:1.22em;"><div style="line-height:1.22em;" dir="ltr"><div style="line-height:1.22em;">You're glib, Carl. As usual. </div><div style="line-height:1.22em;"><br clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;">If Trump is your Fuhrer, would you care to defend what we know about his plans for the Palestinians?</div></div></div></div><br clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"><div class="yiv2536525436gmail_quote" style="line-height:1.22em;">On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:42 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="line-height:1.22em;" dir="ltr"><<a style="line-height:1.22em;" href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@ lists.chambana.net</a>></span><span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"><blockquote class="yiv2536525436gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 4px;line-height:1.22em;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;"><div style="line-height:1.22em;"><br clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"><div style="line-height:1.22em;"><br clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 4px;line-height:1.22em;" type="cite"><div style="line-height:1.22em;">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"><div style="line-height:1.22em;"><div align="center" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><img width="150" height="87" style="line-height:1.22em;" alt=""><br clear="none" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">Friends -<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">As you have no doubt heard by now, I met with President-elect Donald Trump earlier today.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">He asked me to meet with him to discuss our current policies regarding Syria, our fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as other foreign policy challenges we face.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">It would have been easier for me to refuse this meeting. The establishment and social media have been talking about this all day. But I never have and never will play politics with American and Syrian lives.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">In fact, like President Obama, I firmly believe that now is the time for us to put our country first, and come together, regardless of political party, and tackle the many challenges we face.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">This was an opportunity to advocate for peace—and<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span><strong style="line-height:1.22em;">I felt it was important to take the opportunity to meet with the President-elect to counteract neocons’ steady drumbeats of war, which threaten to drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government.</strong></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">This war has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives and forced millions of refugees to flee their homes in search of safety for themselves and their families. It has also strengthened al-Qaeda and other violent, extremist groups in the region. It would have been irresponsible not to accept this invitation. I feel it is my duty to take every single opportunity I get to advocate for peace, no matter the circumstances of those meetings.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no-fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country, and the world. It would lead to more death and suffering, exacerbate the refugee crisis, strengthen ISIS and al-Qaeda and bring us into a direct conflict with Russia–potentially resulting in a nuclear war. We discussed my bill to end our country’s illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government and the need to focus our precious resources on rebuilding our country, and on defeating al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorist groups who pose a threat to the American people.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">Also, where I disagree with President-elect Trump on issues, I will not hesitate to express that disagreement. You didn’t send me to Washington to make friends with the political elite. You sent me to represent you, and I am committed to doing just that.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><strong style="line-height:1.22em;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">In short: I will never allow partisanship to undermine our national security when the lives of countless people lay in the balance.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></strong></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">If that earns me enemies in Washington or at the State Department, then so be it.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">I hope you’ll continue to stand with me and stay engaged. The cause of peace is too great for us to allow political disagreements or partisanship to stand in our way.<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center;">Aloha,<span class="yiv2536525436m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em;"> </span></span></div><div align="left" style="line-height:1.22em;margin:0px 0px 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