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I admire and support your position, Karen. Thanks for your activism. The antiwar/peace segment of the U.S. population is in a position one could call “between Scylla and Charybdis”. Keith Ellison is badly compromised on war, militarism and peace issues. He’s
 been the “good” Democrat. As so have so many of the Progressive Caucus of politicians. And so it is with Trump. So far at least, one can hope that he will overturn some horrid foreign policy, but it looks like he may inflict others. We have to make hard priorities
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<b class="">To:</b> Ashley Smith <<a href="mailto:ashley05401@yahoo.com" class="">ashley05401@yahoo.com</a>> <br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> Vermont Peace <<a href="mailto:VTpeace@yahoogroups.com" class="">VTpeace@yahoogroups.com</a>>; VTJP <<a href="mailto:vtjp@yahoogroups.com" class="">vtjp@yahoogroups.com</a>>; ufpj-activist <<a href="mailto:ufpj-activist@lists.mayfirst.org" class="">ufpj-activist@lists.mayfirst.org</a>>;
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<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [ufpj-activist] Tulsi Gabbard is Not Who You Think She Is :: Politics :: Features :: Tulsi Gabbard :: Paste<br class="">
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Of course I don't want to tell children to imitate her. I don't want to support her hopes to bomb those she identifies as terrorists. But I *DO* want to support an end to overthrowing governments and destroying countries. Let's stick to the policies and stop
 focusing on the people to the extent possible. When it comes to nominations, I haven't heard of a single person I'd support for anything being considered. But there are plus sides to each monster. Mattis is disloyal to Israel. Flynn wants to end drone wars.
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I don’t nor does Carl Estabrook think any of those things you refer to as “funny,” as being funny. And we’re as willing to stand up against them as anyone, however standing by Keith Ellison is standing up for war, not progress.
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<div class="">There is hope on the arisen that with the Trump Administration, the American people are awakened to the crimes against humanity which the USG is responsible, and the continuing deterioration and inequality of our society.</div>
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<div class="">This awakening may now lead to the overthrow/ revolution of a decaying system of inequality known as capitalism. That is the hope of those of us you so tarnish with personal attacks.</div>
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<div class="">All of which is being proposed below is an expansion of our  militarization and wars abroad, where we have already murdered Muslims, and people of color by the hundreds of thousands. The Democratic Party has been responsible these past eight years.
 The Republicans the eight years previous. The American people took notice when Bush was in power, they went to sleep when Obama came in to power, and he accomplished more death and destruction than Bush was capable of, as a result. </div>
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<div class="">How can anyone of good conscience condone and support such atrocities, mere reform isn’t going to change anything. </div>
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 that banning abortion is funny, if you think that anti-Semitic dogwhistles are funny, if you think that "drill baby drill" at Standing Rock is funny, go stand by Snarl Estabrook. 
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You're a fraud, Carl. You're a huckster, a charlatan, a snake-oil salesman, a carnival barker, just like your Fuhrer Trump. You're a corrupt, lying, deceitful abusive bully, too enamored of your own penis. 
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<div class="gmail_quote" style="line-height:1.22em">On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:42 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss<span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.22em" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" style="line-height:1.22em" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@l<wbr class="">ists.chambana.net</a>></span><span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br style="line-height:1.22em" class="">
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">As you have no doubt heard by now, I met with President-elect Donald Trump earlier today.<span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em"> </span></span></p>
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">He asked me to meet with him to discuss our current policies regarding Syria, our fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as other foreign policy
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">It would have been easier for me to refuse this meeting. The establishment and social media have been talking about this all day. But I never have and never will play
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">In fact, like President Obama, I firmly believe that now is the time for us to put our country first, and come together, regardless of political party, and tackle the
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">This was an opportunity to advocate for peace—and<span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em"> </span><strong style="line-height:1.22em" class="">I
 felt it was important to take the opportunity to meet with the President-elect to counteract neocons’ steady drumbeats of war, which threaten to drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government.</strong></span></p>
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">This war has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives and forced millions of refugees to flee their homes in search of safety for themselves and their families.
 It has also strengthened al-Qaeda and other violent, extremist groups in the region. It would have been irresponsible not to accept this invitation. I feel it is my duty to take every single opportunity I get to advocate for peace, no matter the circumstances
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">I shared with him my grave concerns that escalating the war in Syria by implementing a so-called no-fly/safe zone would be disastrous for the Syrian people, our country,
 and the world. It would lead to more death and suffering, exacerbate the refugee crisis, strengthen ISIS and al-Qaeda and bring us into a direct conflict with Russia–potentially resulting in a nuclear war. We discussed my bill to end our country’s illegal
 war to overthrow the Syrian government and the need to focus our precious resources on rebuilding our country, and on defeating al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorist groups who pose a threat to the American people.<span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em"> </span></span></p>
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">Also, where I disagree with President-elect Trump on issues, I will not hesitate to express that disagreement. You didn’t send me to Washington to make friends with
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<strong style="line-height:1.22em" class=""><span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">In short: I will never allow partisanship to undermine our national security when the lives of countless people lay in the
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">If that earns me enemies in Washington or at the State Department, then so be it.<span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em"> </span></span></p>
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<span style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Arial;font-size:17px;text-align:center" class="">I hope you’ll continue to stand with me and stay engaged. The cause of peace is too great for us to allow political disagreements or partisanship to stand in our way.<span class="m_5999535989243038615m_-3782200598974272170m_-7390271706254068454m_8686407874852727524m_8052333882314550415Apple-converted-space" style="line-height:1.22em"> </span></span></p>
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