<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Besides, Trump is a pathological liar with no moral compass, tending to echo views if the most recent person who talked to him. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 4, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Stuart Levy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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We should note that stock prices of arms manufacturers leaped up
after the election. That shows the capitalist reading of what a
Trump admin plus a unified Republican congress means for the
military.<br>
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So yes it is important that Trump recognized the value of speaking
out against military adventures abroad as part of his campaign - he
saw that it was something that could move people. Though as we
were discussing at last week's AWARE meeting, other candidates in
past elections have sold themselves as opponents of war and turned
out to be no such thing - "I have a plan" Nixon, GW Bush, "Nobel
Peace Prize" Obama came to mind.<br>
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How Trump and the people around him will act on their power we'll
have to see. I believe Blum's argument that Trump is unlikely to
start a hot war with Russia, and was very worried that Clinton was
hurtling along a course to do just that. But will the Trump
administration push for war with Iran? It seems all too likely.
Will it keep up the trillion-dollar US nuclear weapons upgrade (as
Clinton would have), and the anti-ballistic missile sites in eastern
Europe? <br>
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This is why I've kept saying that neither major party's Presidential
offering is any sort of convincing peace candidate.<br>
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As for the Jill Stein-supported recounts, it seems a very smart
course to me from the Green Party's point of view - not because it
would be liable to change the outcome of the presidential race, but
because it might well turn up real sloppiness, or inconsistencies of
tabulation that could suggest (probably insider) tampering, or
expose the numbers of people who were given provisional ballots
because of voter-rolls purges or other vote access restrictions.
When neither major party is standing up for election integrity, the
Green Party can say that theirs was the party that fought for it.
That has to be valuable for their reputation in the next election
cycles.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/4/16 11:41 AM, C. G. Estabrook
via Peace wrote:<br>
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John Pilger wrote before the election, ""The CIA has demanded
Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not
elected. The pro-war New York Times — taking a breather from its
relentless low-rent Putin smears — demands that he is not elected.
Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified
that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United
States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a
deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the
possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however
unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so
dire.”
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10:17 AM, "Fields, A Belden via Peace" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>>
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Carl,<br class="">
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Is this an endorsement of Trump?<br class="">
Belden<br class="">
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7:58 PM, 'C. G. Estabrook' <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" class="">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>
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MoveOn and some members of the Stein campaign (but
not the Green party) are attempting to use recounts
and appeals to make the neoliberal and
neoconservative candidate, Hillary Clinton,
president.<br class="">
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All major party presidential candidates for 40 years
have been both neoliberal (which means more
inequality) and neoconservative (which means more
war). <br class="">
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For proof, look what the US government has done
since the 1970s - in all administrations - in
regard to jobs and war: our jobs - and our military
- are sent overseas, for the profits of the American
economic elite, the 1%.<br class="">
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Trump is the first major party presidential
candidate in that time who isn’t either a neoliberal
or a neoconservative. Therefore the US political
class - the 1% and their minions in the "permanent
government/deep state" - are trying to deny him the
presidency, by way of the Electoral College -
because he might not continue the Bush-Obama-Clinton
policies of war and austerity.<br class="">
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They might succeed. <br class="">
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(BTW, it's NOT the Greens: the Green party said no
to flacking for Clinton, as did Green VP nominee
Ajamu Baraka; Jill Stein, her campaign manager David
Cobb, and Democratic party front group ‘MoveOn' are
the ones attempting to deny Trump a majority in the
Electoral College.)<br class="">
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6:57 PM, Just Foreign Policy <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>>
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Urge Sinai Temple's Alan Cook to lead to help
reconcile C-U communities.<br class="">
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Take Action<br class="">
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Many communities in Champaign-Urbana were
unexpectedly traumatized by the election of Donald
Trump. Now, we need enlightened and responsible
leadership in all corners to help our traumatized
communities reconcile. <br class="">
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Hillel said: <br class="">
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"If I am not for myself, who will be for me?<br class="">
If I am only for myself, what am I? <br class="">
If not now, when?"<br class="">
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"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your
fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the
explanation; go and learn."<br class="">
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The children of Abraham - fed with the same food,
hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same
diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and
cooled by the same winter and summer - need to be
reconciled. <br class="">
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Urge Alan Cook to use his leadership position at
Sinai Temple to help chase away darkness and
reconcile the children of Abraham in
Champaign-Urbana by signing our petition at
MoveOn.<br class="">
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Thanks for all you do to help make the house we
live in more just, <br class="">
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Just Foreign Policy<br class="">
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