<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! <a href="http://www.refusefascism.org" class="">www.refusefascism.org</a> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jay</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="D38556BF-C158-4DD2-8C84-9246C4C5A944" height="960" width="528" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:5AF9F293-76B8-431B-B957-B3940E3EE415" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:46, Boyle, Francis A <<a href="mailto:fboyle@illinois.edu" class="">fboyle@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Thanks Jay. Just remember that the Association of American Law Schools--that represents all accredited law schools in the country--invited Clinton's Killer Koh to give their Keynote Address before their Annual Convention. Fab.<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Jay [<a href="mailto:futureup2us@gmail.com" class="">mailto:futureup2us@gmail.com</a>] <br class="">Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:34 AM<br class="">To: Boyle, Francis A <<a href="mailto:fboyle@illinois.edu" class="">fboyle@illinois.edu</a>><br class="">Cc: David Swanson <<a href="mailto:davidcnswanson@gmail.com" class="">davidcnswanson@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" class="">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>; <a href="mailto:a-fields@uiuc.edu" class="">a-fields@uiuc.edu</a>; Hoffman, Valerie J <<a href="mailto:vhoffman@illinois.edu" class="">vhoffman@illinois.edu</a>>; C. G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:carl@newsfromneptune.com" class="">carl@newsfromneptune.com</a>>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <<a href="mailto:jtmiller@illinois.edu" class="">jtmiller@illinois.edu</a>>; Szoke, Ron <<a href="mailto:r-szoke@illinois.edu" class="">r-szoke@illinois.edu</a>>; Dave Trippel <<a href="mailto:davetrippel@ameritech.net" class="">davetrippel@ameritech.net</a>>; Arlene Hickory <<a href="mailto:a23h23@yahoo.com" class="">a23h23@yahoo.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net</a>; <a href="mailto:sherwoodross10@gmail.com" class="">sherwoodross10@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:abass10@gmail.com" class="">abass10@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:mickalideh@gmail.com" class="">mickalideh@gmail.com</a>; Lina Thorne <<a href="mailto:lina@worldcantwait.net" class="">lina@worldcantwait.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:chicago@worldcantwait.net" class="">chicago@worldcantwait.net</a>; Mildred O'brien <<a href="mailto:moboct1@aim.com" class="">moboct1@aim.com</a>>; David Johnson <<a href="mailto:davidjohnson1451@comcast.net" class="">davidjohnson1451@comcast.net</a>>; Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" class="">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">Peace@lists.chambana.net</a><br class="">Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class="">This from the Chicago Tribune:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html" class="">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Jay<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle@illinois.edu> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab.<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Boyle, Francis A <br class="">Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM<br class="">To: David Swanson <davidcnswanson@gmail.com>; peace-discuss@anti-war.net; a-fields@uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman@illinois.edu>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller@illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke@illinois.edu>; Dave Trippel <davetrippel@ameritech.net>; Arlene Hickory <a23h23@yahoo.com>; peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10@gmail.com; abass10@gmail.com; mickalideh@gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina@worldcantwait.net>; chicago@worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien <moboct1@aim.com>; David Johnson <davidjohnson1451@comcast.net>; Jay <futureup2us@gmail.com>; Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com>; Peace@lists.chambana.net<br class="">Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class="">And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. <br class="">Fab<br class="">Ed Norton Professor of Law<br class="">Carl Schmitt College of Law:<br class="">"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Boyle, Francis A <br class="">Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM<br class="">To: David Swanson <davidcnswanson@gmail.com>; peace-discuss@anti-war.net; a-fields@uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman@illinois.edu>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller@illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke@illinois.edu>; Dave Trippel <davetrippel@ameritech.net>; Arlene Hickory <a23h23@yahoo.com>; peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10@gmail.com; abass10@gmail.com; mickalideh@gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina@worldcantwait.net>; chicago@worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien <moboct1@aim.com>; David Johnson <davidjohnson1451@comcast.net>; Jay <futureup2us@gmail.com>; Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com>; Peace@lists.chambana.net<br class="">Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class="">In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either.<br class="">Fab<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">Ed Norton Professor of Law<br class="">Carl Schmitt Law School:<br class="">"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Boyle, Francis A <br class="">Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM<br class="">To: David Swanson <davidcnswanson@gmail.com>; peace-discuss@anti-war.net; a-fields@uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman@illinois.edu>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller@illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke@illinois.edu>; Dave Trippel <davetrippel@ameritech.net>; Arlene Hickory <a23h23@yahoo.com>; peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10@gmail.com; abass10@gmail.com; mickalideh@gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina@worldcantwait.net>; chicago@worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien <moboct1@aim.com>; David Johnson <davidjohnson1451@comcast.net>; Jay <futureup2us@gmail.com>; Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com>; Peace@lists.chambana.net<br class="">Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class="">While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where:<br class=""><br class="">WAR IS PEACE<br class="">FREEDOM IS SLAVERY<br class="">IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH<br class="">WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER<br class="">REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984<br class="">KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984<br class="">THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Fab<br class="">Ed Norton Professor of Law<br class="">Carl Schmitt College of Law:<br class="">"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Boyle, Francis A<br class="">Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM<br class="">To: David Swanson <davidcnswanson@gmail.com>; peace-discuss@anti-war.net; a-fields@uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman@illinois.edu>; C. G. Estabrook <carl@newsfromneptune.com>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller@illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke@illinois.edu>; Dave Trippel <davetrippel@ameritech.net>; Arlene Hickory <a23h23@yahoo.com>; peace-discuss-request@lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10@gmail.com; abass10@gmail.com; mickalideh@gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina@worldcantwait.net>; chicago@worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien <moboct1@aim.com>; David Johnson <davidjohnson1451@comcast.net>; Jay <futureup2us@gmail.com>; Karen Aram <karenaram@hotmail.com>; Peace@lists.chambana.net<br class="">Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class="">The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture.<br class="">Fab<br class="">Ed Norton Professor of Law<br class="">Carl Schmitt College of Law:<br class="">"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Boyle, Francis A<br class="">Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM<br class="">To: Action Greens <actiongreens@yahoogroups.com><br class="">Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.<br class="">Champaign, IL 61820 USA<br class="">217-333-7954 (phone)<br class="">217-244-1478 (fax)<br class="">(personal comments only)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Boyle, Francis A <br class="">Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM<br class="">Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times<br class=""><br class="">Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab.<br class="">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians <br class="">Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. <br class="">LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. <br class="">Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. <br class="">LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? <br class="">Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush.<br class=""><br class="">Francis A. Boyle<br class="">Law Building<br class="">504 E. 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