<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Neither Hitler nor Mussolini had absolute power when they launched their foreign adventures. Mobilizing for a foreign war is a popular way to suppress internal opposition (cf. Eugene Debs et al.) During the war the Nazis were apparently forced to many expedients to keep down popular discontent; it was never a popular war.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the US today, 'fascist’ is a polemical - not an analytic - term.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>—CGE</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 4, 2017, at 4:02 PM, John W. <<a href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com" class="">jbw292002@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">These are important articles.<br class="">
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Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design.<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AFTER they had first secured and consolidated their virtually absolute power in their countries of origin.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future.<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I remember correctly, Hitler was a "peace candidate" too, in the beginning. He was a master of propaganda, with the able assistance of Goebbels. Meanwhile he let his brownshirts do his dirty work for him in the streets. Sound at all familiar?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more.<br class="">
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I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not quite yet.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">CGE<br class="">
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> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" class="">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes:<br class="">
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> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jacobinmag.com_2014_09_timothy-2Dsnyders-2Dlies_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=dUVUZjqt2YdiTpChjmhSqtsKsZZvAEAYRsV65AIDk64&s=mZdgN3_9dJtb018YORYMI9-iz1OwPJTQX4s5uR8J3ig&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.jacobinmag.com/<wbr class="">2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/</a><br class="">
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> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jacobinmag.com_2015_11_timothy-2Dsnyder-2Dbialoszewski-2Dmemoir-2Dwarsaw-2Duprising_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=dUVUZjqt2YdiTpChjmhSqtsKsZZvAEAYRsV65AIDk64&s=D_on4gab5_Nrh5cRsCvtM3KGvJUMMj_rgLkQMj-uyzQ&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.jacobinmag.com/<wbr class="">2015/11/timothy-snyder-<wbr class="">bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-<wbr class="">uprising/</a><br class="">
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> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jacobinmag.com_2016_08_timothy-2Dsnyder-2Dblack-2Dearth-2Dbloodlands-2Dholocaust-2Dsoviets-2Dnazis_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=dUVUZjqt2YdiTpChjmhSqtsKsZZvAEAYRsV65AIDk64&s=nI-Df6Ua3dPZaURetdP2kvc58dqfq87UvR2rDa4D0DA&e=" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://www.jacobinmag.com/<wbr class="">2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-<wbr class="">earth-bloodlands-holocaust-<wbr class="">soviets-nazis/</a><br class="">
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> Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies.<br class="">
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> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia:<br class="">
> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.<br class="">
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