<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, “t<font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">he statement 'Trump is a fascist' stands or falls on its own merits” - which are not very great…</font><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">But it’s being used to delegitimize the Trump presidency, because of his challenges to the neoliberal (more inequality) and neocon (more war) policies of the Obama administration.</font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">If the political establishment cannot displace him (and they haven’t given up), they can at least neutralize those challenges:</font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">“...calls mount to challenge congressional ratification of Electoral College vote”—</font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><a href="http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/least-50-trump-electors-were-illegitimately-seated-electoral-college-members" class="">http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/least-50-trump-electors-were-illegitimately-seated-electoral-college-members</a><br class=""></font><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">—CGE</font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, John W. <<a href="mailto:jbw292002@gmail.com" class="">jbw292002@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">It’s clear by now what's wrong with the “Trump is a fascist” line.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s inaccurate, but more importantly it’s a disingenuous defense of the neoliberal/neocon establishment. </div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How is this logical, Carl? The statement "Trump is a fascist" stands or falls on its own merits, and has nothing to do with the relative merits of the neoliberal/neocon establishment unless we choose to explicitly compare the two in some way. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As it happens, the presidential candidate you despise(d) is out of the picture, irrelevant. And as it happens, Drumpf the fascist is filling his cabinet and advisory ranks with the very neoliberal Wall Streeters that you (and I) despise. No one in my circles is defending his appointments.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Things are never so black and white as you try to make them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">We need an anti-war/anti-Wall Street movement, not a defense of (pro-war/pro-Wall St.) Obama-Clinton Democrats. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jay <<a href="mailto:futureup2us@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">futureup2us@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2362730724669345243Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__RefuseFascism.org&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=lP1n61gMJLCiveTAZtFSESywh1oVCh8iRfhNBih6fhc&e=" target="_blank" class="">RefuseFascism.org</a> is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_we-2Drefuse-2Dto-2Daccept-2Da-2Dfascist-2Damerica_-23sign&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=5nrjLouLw6FfnNOCyWDL2pH4nnqH006AaCdbl0Htak4&e=" target="_blank" class="">scope & range of the people</a> who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jay</div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" target="_blank" class="">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2362730724669345243Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=xJBcCfkEFuu-bD9C60Ptjmup7dDgkdbiSHciZehRroY&s=KpnkoZwDNRvNJxytT97_PEbar2qiPFSxFoEkExfYSmo&e=" target="_blank" class="">https://refusefascism.org</a>>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <<a href="mailto:futureup2us@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">futureup2us@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2362730724669345243Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=" target="_blank" class="">Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles.</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jay</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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