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(removing Peace from the Cc list, leaving peace-discuss)<br>
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What I've heard identified as the largest aggregate contributor to
CO2 emissions is not the DoD itself, but the DoD combined with the
whole military industry.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/17 11:37 AM, Karen Aram via
Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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So the science is wrong. Is it so far off that “climate change”
deniers have a case to make in respect to the data? My purpose in
posting this article from a website known and supported by some
within AWARE is to point out the lack of “concern” across the
nation, in respect to war. It is I believe a result of too many
serious issues today.
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Insofar as CO2 emissions and climate change, yes.
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<div class="">Are you saying that he is wrong,
the Pentagon isn’t the number one polluter
of the Earth?</div>
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<div class="">On May 10, 2017, at 21:36,
Brussel, Morton K <<a
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Pretty good, but weak on the
science, as, for example in the
statement: <span style="font-family:
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the number one consumer of fossil
fuels and the number one polluter
of the Earth.</span>
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antiwar feelings mislead
him on the science of
global warming and what it
is due to. </span></font></div>
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By David
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April 26, 2017</p>
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The
liberal-middleclass
is brain dead
about the
wars. They do
not want to
hear about
war, speak
about war or
see war
protesters.</p>
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The
liberal-middleclass
has
emotionally
numbed out.
They have a
complete lack
of empathy for
the millions
of people that
the USA has
slaughtered,
the nations
that the USA
has bombed to
piles of
rubble, and
the suffering
the USA has
caused to tens
of millions of
people.</p>
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Out of sight
and out of
mind, the USA
has destroyed
millions of
minds, bodies,
homes and
lives
forever. The
indifference
of the
liberal-middleclass
is mind
boggling.
Some
sadistically
see the war
images as
entertainment
and even
beautiful
displays of
power.</p>
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I am still
reeling from
Earth Day and
the March for
Science.
Where was the
message that
war is
destroying the
Earth? The
Pentagon is
the number one
consumer of
fossil fuels
and the number
one polluter
of the Earth.
Why was the
Pentagon given
a pass on
Earth Day?</p>
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Do scientists
deny that war
causes global
warming? The
liberal-middleclass should not feel superior to Republicans and Donald
J. Trump about
climate
change. They
have their
heads stuck in
the sand too.
At least the
Republicans
are honest in
their
stupidity of
denial about
climate
change.</p>
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The
liberal-middle-class’s
dishonest
stupidity is
to lie by
omission and
not confront
war as the
number one
polluter. The
Pentagon and
militarism are
the greatest
danger to the
Earth and
every living
creature on
it. The world
is racing
headlong
towards
nuclear war
and the
liberal-middleclass
is in deep
denial.</p>
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Earth Day and
the March for
Science were
more hypocrisy
and feel good
faux
solidarity of
concern for
the Earth.
Earth Day was
carefully
stage-managed
to not offend
or affect any
change.</p>
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Earth Day was
just a fun
day. Those
that attended
appeared to be
mostly
liberal-middleclass
families,
couples,
singles and
students. It
was a sterile
showing of
solidarity,
with the bonus
activity of
hugging
science.
Science is
worth hugging,
but scientists
were mum on
Earth Day that
the Pentagon,
militarism and
war are the
number one
threat to the
Earth.</p>
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There were
very few
speeches,
posters or
demonstration
against war.
None of the
“Top Ten
Posters” were
antiwar.
Talking about
war was a
conversation
stopper and
spoiled the
fun for others
who just
wanted to
enjoy organic
snacks, browse
among
sustainable
gadgets and
grandstand.</p>
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George Orwell
wrote about
the mind
control effect
of conformist
demonstrations. They let the public blow off a little steam without any
risk, and they
reinforce the
status quo.
It also gives
the Thought
Police an
opportunity to
take names of
anybody that
does not
conform.</p>
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Earth Day was
like Orwell’s
two minutes of
hate. Climate
Change is the
liberal-middle-class’s hated Emmanuel Goldstein. Big Brother and the
main stream
media know how
to co-opt
dissent and
make it
meaningless,
while letting
the people
feel relevant
and powerful.
Real protests
and real power
of the people
are brutally
crushed by the
police state.</p>
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Any act
considered
unpatriotic
was
discouraged
during Earth
Day. There
was no
mourning for
the millions
of people the
USA has
slaughtered in
the past
couple of
decades.
There was no
mention of the
USA poisoning
South Asia
with uranium
and burn pits
billowing out
a smorgasbord
of
carcinogenic
chemical
pollution.</p>
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There was no
scientific
discussion of
the poisonous
ingredients in
the Mother of
All Bombs and
the pollution
caused by
war. No
discussion of
nuclear
winter,
radiation
sickness, and
mass
starvation
from a nuclear
war. Nor were
there any
pledges by
scientists not
to work for
the military
industrial
complex.</p>
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Like Mark
Twain said
about the
weather:
everybody
talks about
climate change
but nobody
does anything
about it. And
they won’t
until there is
a stop to
war. Until
then there
will be no
budget for
doing
something
about climate
change. Nor
will there be
any budget for
healthcare,
education,
mass
transportation
and relieving
suffering and
ignorance.
Lacking is a
massive
anti-war
movement.</p>
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I had the
personal
experience of
being a
spoiler on
Earth Day. I
belong to St.
Pete for Peace
in Saint
Petersburg,
Florida. It
is an anti-war
group that has
been able to
survive the
peace drought
after the USA
invasion of
Iraq in 2003.
We thought it
would be a
good idea to
take an
anti-war rally
to Williams
Park in
downtown St.
Petersburg
where there
was an Earth
Day fair. Our
reception was
anything but
warm. It was
like a cold
bucket of
Agent Orange.</p>
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We were warned
not to take
our anti-war
posters into
Williams
Park. It was
not the police
that warned
us, it was the
organizers of
St. Pete Earth
Day. They
told us to
stay on the
corner across
the street and
out of sight
or they would
have us
arrested.</p>
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Thinking that
I had a
Constitutional
right to do
so, I walked
through the
park anyway
with an upside
down American
flag as a
freedom of
speech
statement. I
was
immediately
accosted and
told that no
demonstrations
were allowed.
I thought
Earth Day was
supposed to be
a
demonstration,
and a protest
against the
continued
destruction of
the Earth and
all its living
creatures.</p>
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Florida is one
of those
“Stand Your
Ground”
states. So we
stood our
ground with
open carry of
anti-war
signs. We
were not going
to go
quietly. As
we walked
through the
fair with our
anti-war signs
we said “Happy
Earth Day” to
the vendors
and
attendees.
Their
responses were
a few polite
“thank
you’s”.
Mostly we got
cold stares or
avoidance of
eye contact.
My upside down
flag of
distress got a
few hoots and
confrontations. But few people wanted any dialog about war.</p>
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Normally I do
not write
about myself,
but Earth Day
has been
eating away at
me. It left
me angry and
dumbfounded.
I keep asking
myself, “is
the
liberal-middleclass
braindead?”
Is it possible
for people to
want to do
something
about climate
change and not
see the
connection to
war,
militarism and
empire? They
just don’t get
it: war,
climate
change, war,
climate
change, war…</p>
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The
liberal-middleclass
is as stuck in
the American
mythology as
conservative
Republicans.
They still
think that
capitalism is
the best of
all possible
worlds; that
America is the
best country
in the world;
that America
cares about
democracy and
human rights;
and that being
anti-war is
unpatriotic.</p>
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The
liberal-middleclass
are too
comfortable in
their isolated
world of high
rise
condominiums
and SUV’s.
What will it
take to bring
them down from
their ivory
tower in the
mostly white
Northside of
St.
Petersburg?
Do they ever
think about
the mostly
black
Southside of
St. Petersburg
and its lack
of basic
social
services?</p>
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During the
rainy season
in Florida,
the Southside
is flooded
with raw
sewage because
the city
closed the
Albert Whitted
sewage
treatment
plant for lack
of funds. The
city saved $32
million a year
by letting raw
sewage flood
the black
neighborhood
and flowing
into Tampa Bay
where it
pollutes the
water.</p>
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What has
happened in
St. Petersburg
has happened
in cities all
over America.
It is called
austerity.
Funding that
should be
going to
education,
housing, mass
transportation, healthcare, poverty programs and infrastructure are
being sucked
out of the
economy. The
money is going
for
militarism,
war making and
war
profiteering.
The money
spent by the
Department of
Defense,
Homeland
Security and
the Police
State are
making us less
secure, less
safe, and less
free.</p>
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Empire
building,
imperialism
and war are
perverting the
domestic
economy,
sucking out
its resources
and denying
citizens of
the socialist
programs that
the Bernie
Revolution
talked about.
Even Bernie
Sanders does
not take on
the military
industrial
complex.</p>
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Either Bernie
is just
another
politician or
he suffers
from cognitive
dissonance.
His supporters
made excuses
for him that
being anti-war
during his
2016
presidential
campaign would
be “political
suicide”, and
that secretly
Bernie was
anti-war.</p>
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If being
anti-war would
be political
suicide, then
how did
Bernie’s
supporters
think that the
country could
pay for
popular social
programs like
healthcare for
everyone and
free college?
There is not
enough money
for Bernie’s
boondoggle
F-35 that
doesn’t fly
right, never
ending wars
that cannot be
won and
popular
socialist
domestic
programs?</p>
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In a recent
CNN interview
Bernie said:
"Assad has got
to go. ISIS
has got to be
defeated, but
I do not want
to see the
United States
get sucked
into perpetual
warfare in the
Middle East.”
Bernie is part
of the
problem, not
the solution.</p>
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“Assad has to
go and ISIS
has to be
defeated” is
magical
thinking
without
“getting
bogged down in
perpetual
war”.
Thinking so is
unconsciously
letting the
warmongers
continue the
status quo.
It is saying
more war, more
destruction,
more death and
more climate
change.
Bernie’s
revolution has
melted like
the Arctic
ice.</p>
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Nothing.
Absolutely
nothing of
significance
is going to
improve in
America until
the dogs of
war are
leashed.
Education will
not improve.
There will be
no single
payer
healthcare, no
mass
transportation,
no free
college, no
antipoverty
programs, no
reparations
for the
oppressed, and
no progress
made against
climate change
until we stop
the wars.
Foreign wars
and empire
mean more
austerity at
home.</p>
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We can be
relevant,
powerful and
do something
about climate
change and
save millions
of lives. We
can hit the
streets with
mass protests
against war.
Support
whistleblowers
and those that
refuse to obey
illegal
orders.
Refuse to
cooperate. Be
disruptive.
Use
non-violent
civil
disobedience
to sabotage
the war
machine.</p>
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Otherwise,
wars have
doomed us to
the ravages of
climate
change.
Nuclear war is
a real
possibility
that the
public is in
denial about.
A group of
scientists
just advanced
the Doomsday
Clock to 2 ½
minutes until
midnight at
which time we
are doomed
permanently.
Is anybody
listening to
these
scientists?</p>
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