<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ron—<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you’re right, it would seem that a universal basic income at the level of a living wage - in place of “welfare measures” - would go a way to answer the problem.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course education, housing, and healthcare should be decommodified - i.e., taken out of the 'free market’ and provided at public expense. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Those are things people have a right to, not just a right to purchase if they have the money.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The failure of the Democratic party to support these things - in spite of tentative gestures from the Sanders campaign - indicates its irrelevance.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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A too-plausible diagnosis.  What the data seem to show is that a simple thesis of economic deprivation is (again) wrong.
<div class="">What we have seen instead is a symptom of class resentment & defiance, esp. of the lowest quintile (20%) by the next higher quintile (20%—40%, the “working class"), who think the “tax & spend” Democrats are taxing them, the lower middle class,
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