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<div class="">Where can I find info. relating to the dispute between Jeffrey and Eric. I liked Eric’s podcast interviews at one time, but after reading some of his statements on FB quit.
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<div class="">On Jul 13, 2017, at 18:53, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">There’s a real and surprising dispute involving some serious left journalists, notably Jefferey St. Clair of CounterPunch. (And his colleague Eric Draitser.) </div>
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<div class="">I agree with you about Assange, whatever his flaws. (And Poitras.)</div>
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<div class="">A recent exchange w/ St. Clair re Johnstone - Caitlin (b. 1975?), not Diana (b. 1934):</div>
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[1] On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" class="">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:<br class="">
Jeffrey—<br class="">
You know I was once (long ago) a Green party candidate for Congress here on the prairie, and I voted for Jill Stein, who's been our house guest...<br class="">
But I’ve never been a fan of David Cobb and his kowtowing to the Democrats, in 2004 or 2016.<br class="">
Nevertheless I think Cobb is right about Caitlin Johnstone, and Yoav Litvin is wrong…</div>
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<div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">[2] On Jul 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Jeffrey St Clair <<a href="mailto:sitka@comcast.net" class="">sitka@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
I can’t read Johnstone’s stuff. It’s everything I hate about Left polemics—humorless, high-decibel conspiratorialism. It’s so lacking in curiosity I don't even think Sputnik would run it. The Green Party died for the 3rd time when Stein brought Cobb back in
the fold in September. And they haven’t been resurrected once, but they sure did raise a lot of money. He’s good at that….<br class="">
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<div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">[3] On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <<a href="mailto:galliher@illinois.edu" class="">galliher@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
<div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">I agree entirely about Stein/Cobb, but not about Johnstone.</div>
<div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">For one thing, she’s quite funny - far from humorless - in a rude, (I hesitate to say) millennial way. (Cf. my daughter’s TV show, 'Casual,’ on Hulu.)<br class="">
And on the 'red-brown alliance’ talk, the sooner we abandon the floating signifiers (sorry) of ‘left' and 'right', the better. </div>
<div class="" style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">Strangely, they’re being kept alive by an alliance of M-L remnants, from tankies to Trots, with media village explainers...<br class="">
As descriptors in the neoliberal era, even ‘economic nationalist’ vs. 'corporate globalist’ is better. —CGE<br class="">
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<div class="">Regards, CGE<br class="">
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<div class="">On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries.
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<div class="">Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. </div>
<div class="">I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned?</div>
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<div class="">On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right":</div>
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