<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">The world is "just supposed to let the US slaughter innocents”? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Who should "set up an interim caretaker government [in the US] until full and free elections with an educated electorate can take place” - in the country that’s “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today”?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The UN? A "Eurasian coalition” of the EU, Russia, and China?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 26, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Roger Helbig <<a href="mailto:rwhelbig@gmail.com" class="">rwhelbig@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">western engendered carnage - the West created ISIS - the West just was supposed to let Assad to slaughter innocents - the only thing stupid that the West did is not insist that Assad must go and set up an interim caretaker government until full and free elections with an educated electorate can take place - </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">[A searing article.]<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The result of the western-engendered carnage in Syria was horrendous: at least 475,000 dead, 5 million Syrian refugees driven into exile in neighboring states (Turkey alone hosts three million), and another 6 million internally displaced. … 11 million Syrians … driven from their homes into wretched living conditions and near famine.<br class=""><br class="">Two of Syria’s greatest and oldest cities, Damascus and Aleppo, have been pounded into ruins. Jihadist massacres and Russian and American air strikes have ravaged once beautiful, relatively prosperous Syria. Its ancient Christian peoples are fleeing for their lives before US and Saudi takfiri religious fanatics.<br class=""><br class="">Realizing the futility of U.S. policy, President Trump is cutting aid to the rebels. And the War Party is beside itself. Says The Wall Street Journal:<br class=""><br class="">“The only way to reach an acceptable diplomatic solution is if Iran and Russia feel they are paying too high a price for their Syria sojourn. This means more support for Mr. Assad’s enemies, not cutting them off without notice. And it means building up a Middle East coalition willing to fight Islamic State and resist Iran. The U.S. should also consider enforcing ‘safe zones’ in Syria for anti-Assad forces.”<br class=""><br class="">...No matter how objectionable we found these dictators, what vital interests of ours were so imperiled by the continued rule of Saddam, Assad, Gadhafi and the Houthis that they would justify what we have done to the peoples of those countries?<br class=""><br class="">...Among the principles for a just war, it must be waged as a last resort, to address a wrong suffered, and by a legitimate authority. Deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.<br class=""><br class="">The wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen were never authorized by Congress. The civilian dead, wounded and uprooted in Syria, and the malnourished millions in Yemen, represent a moral cost that seems far beyond any proportional moral gain from those conflicts.<br class=""><br class="">In which of the countries we have attacked or invaded in this century — Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen — are the people better off than they were before we came?<br class=""><br class="">And we wonder why they hate us…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-289908229112931892Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<div class=""><div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:inherit" class=""><div class="">Patrick J. Buchanan is on our side. See:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_pat_buchanan/are_america_s_wars_just_and_moral" class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfenhancr_card_1035954767" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Are America's Wars Just and Moral?</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfenhancr_card_1035954767" class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfymail-preserve-class m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfymail-preserve-style m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfyahoo-link-enhancr-card m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfyahoo-link-enhancr-not-allow-cover" style="max-width:400px;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_pat_buchanan/are_america_s_wars_just_and_moral" style="text-decoration:none!important" class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfyahoo-enhancr-cardlink" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><table class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfcard-wrapper m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfyahoo-ignore-table" style="max-width:400px" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td width="400" class=""><table class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfyahoo-ignore-table m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfcard" style="max-width:400px;border-width:1px;border-style:solid;border-color:rgb(224,228,233);border-radius:2px" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td class=""><table class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfyahoo-ignore-table m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfcard-info" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-size:auto auto;width:100%;max-width:400px;border-radius:0px 0px 2px 2px;border-top:1px solid rgb(224,228,233)" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="background-color:#ffffff;padding:16px 0 16px 12px;vertical-align:top;border-radius:0 0 0 2px" class=""></td><td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:12px 24px 16px 12px;width:99%;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-radius:0 0 2px 0" class=""><h2 class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfcard-title" style="font-size:14px;line-height:19px;margin:0 0 6px 0;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;word-break:break-word;color:#26282a">Are America's Wars Just and Moral?</h2><p class="m_-289908229112931892ydp354e02bfcard-richinfo-primary" style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0 0 4px 0;color:#979ba7">Rasmussen Reports</p><div style="font-size:12px;line-height:16px;margin:0px;color:rgb(151,155,167);word-break:break-word" class="">"One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian sol...</div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">Peace-discuss mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.chambana.net/<wbr class="">mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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