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A comment by Luciana Bohne, a friend of Carl’s, in respect to Kagarlitsky’s article:
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like class analysis: Scotland and Catalonia."</span>
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was not requesting independent/autonomy back in the 30s; it did; same with Basque region, which was given autonomy, which is why the Catholic church in this region was the only church in Spain that supported the Republic. In Catalonia, in 1936 there even was
a separate and parallel election</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.11999999731779099px;" class="">—</span><span style="letter-spacing: -0.12px;" class=""> separate from Madrid</span><font face="SF Optimized, system-ui, -apple-system, system-ui, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif" class=""><span style="letter-spacing: -0.11999999731779099px;" class="">—</span></font><span style="letter-spacing: -0.12px;" class="">but
in both the United Front won--and Catalonia was more anarchist than proletarian "red"</span></font></span><span style="color: rgb(29, 33, 41); font-family: 'SF Optimized', system-ui, -apple-system, system-ui, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif; letter-spacing: -0.12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(29, 33, 41); font-family: 'SF Optimized', system-ui, -apple-system, system-ui, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif; letter-spacing: -0.12px; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">I'm
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<div>I mention this only because in Chomsky’s “On Anarchism” it is stated by “Roselli” that Catalonia was built on “Anarchism” and in Chomsky’s discussion with “Foucault debate On Human Nature,” Chomsky apologizes on behalf of “anarchists” to “socialists” for
attacking and killing them, after working together in Catalonia. </div>
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<div>I’m sorry I’m unable to provide better reference, as I’m working from memory. </div>
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<div class="">On Oct 13, 2017, at 07:12, C G Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com" class="">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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important letter should be read with his posting of Kagarlitsky’s account of petty-bourgois nationalisms - that’s what Israel is - and their conflict with the working class:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">
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was a point obvious to insightful observers like Rosa Luxemburg, more than a century ago. As was clear in an uncomfortable terminological conjunction in Depression-era Germany, you could have nationalism or socialism - but not both. ('Socialism in one country’
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On Oct 13, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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Fri, 10/13/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette<br class="">
The idea of a Jewish nation, replacing Judaism, inspired the Zionist movement that led to the founding of Israel in 1948. But national liberation for the Jews meant expulsion or subordination for the Palestinians.<br class="">
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Zionism's settler-colonialist character and resulting nation-state has determined the violent, expansionist and discriminatory ethos of the Jewish state, just as settler-colonialism similarly shaped American history.<br class="">
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But instead of the indigenous population being largely exterminated, Jews and Palestinian Arabs now exist in roughly equal numbers within the collective boundaries of Israel and Palestine.<br class="">
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Only 22 percent of what was British Mandatory Palestine (1920-48) forms the Palestinian basis for the "two-state solution" that most Jewish-Americans support, and that our government claims as the goal of the "peace process."<br class="">
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Yet, in their subordination to U.S. and Israeli geopolitical interests, Jewish-American institutions facilitate settlement expansion on the West Bank and the siege of Gaza.<br class="">
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Most Jewish-Americans, although fewer than 20 years ago, wrongly blame the Palestinians for the failure of the "peace process." This absolves them and their institutional representatives of the need for historical understanding and self-critical reflection
that would lead to effective political action in relation to U.S. government policies that maintain an untenable status quo.<br class="">
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Any Jewish community, including Champaign County's, could begin to achieve informed political consensus and act in solidarity to effectively challenge this state of affairs, beginning with our elected representatives, academic administrators and media.<br class="">
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This would, however, require openness to productive dialogue among our (Jewish) selves that is still, in effect, culturally and institutionally prohibited.<br class="">
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