<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think it’s accurate - and candid - of Stuart to admit that he wants to deny my ability as a member of AWARE to "<span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;" class="">use the larger audience of Peace to reach more people.</span><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">”</font><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT" class="">But that’s not how AWARE communications should work.<br class=""></font><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 19, 2017, at 11:29 AM, stuartnlevy via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Karen, yes, of course your postings went through to the Peace list!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is what I've been using as a policy. Generally any member of Peace can post freely to the Peace list. If someone sends a bunch of messages that clearly don't belong there, and especially if there is a complaint about that, then somebody (sometimes me) sends a reminder to the list about what's appropriate there. Usually that is all that is needed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But it can happen that people will keep posting off-topic stuff to Peace, either accidentally or deliberately - trying to use the larger audience of Peace to reach more people, say. Ya'aqov, who used to be on these lists, did a lot of that. I think Carl is doing that now. For people who don't more or less play along with the established rules of the list, I set the list software to moderate their posts, so that I look at them individually and pass through ones that seem to fit - yes, in my own judgment. As a list moderator, that's what I do.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Right now the only people on Peace whose messages are held for review are Carl and a handful of people whose e-mail accounts appeared to have been hacked, such that they'd sent spam to the list in the past. For everyone else, postings go through immediately.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's about all I have to say on this. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""> -- Stuart</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" class=""><!-- originalMessage --><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class="">From: Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" class="">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> </div><div class="">Date: 10/19/17 08:13 (GMT-06:00) </div><div class="">To: stuartnlevy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" class="">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>> </div><div class="">Cc: "Brussel, Morton K" <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" class="">brussel@illinois.edu</a>>, C G Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com" class="">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>>, Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" class="">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>>, Peace-discuss List <<a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> </div><div class="">Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>
At the expense of continuing this discussion related to the two lists, I will ask again, did the “link” allowing recipients choice, to either view or delete, that of the Teach In” get through the Peace List, or was it censored off?
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<div class="">Ditto links to AOTA which includes the presentation by Mort. </div>
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<div class="">On Oct 18, 2017, at 21:47, stuartnlevy via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Thank you, Mort.</div>
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<div class="">Carl, with these two postings it just looks like you are working to game the system. Really, are either of them calls to action? </div>
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<div class="">Earlier this week I passed along a Code Pink call to action which feels much more like one: to lobby our US Senators to publicly oppose a bill which would break the Iran nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions.</div>
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<div class="">Earlier today I read two other calls to action from two other environmental groups. Those messages are not urging people to believe or disbelieve something, nor trying to start a discussion or an argument. Rather they are asking people to get
out and do particular things which will advance their causes.</div>
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<div class="">I think it is worth talking about the role of the antifa, even though I think focusing on it is a distraction from anything we're doing to oppose war, to argue over the tactics of a group we aren't even a part of. I also think it's worth talking
about Phyllis Bennis' comments on the value for the peace movement of recognizing linkages between our goals and other groups', and working together with them.</div>
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<div class="">But those aren't discussions that belong on the Peace list.</div>
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<div class="">Date: 10/18/17 20:40 (GMT-06:00) </div>
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In my mind this is unfairly provocative. Stuart has been doing a conscientious and good job monitoring the Peace list, and explaining his criteria.
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<div class="">On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:59 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison is author of the forthcoming "In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power” (Dispatch Books, September). His previous books include: "Torture and
Impunity: The U.S. Doctrine of Coercive Interrogation" (University of Wisconsin, 2012), "A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror" (American Empire Project); "Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines,
and the Rise of the Surveillance State," and "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade." He has also convened the 'Empires in Transition/ project, a global working group of 140 historians from universities on four continents. The results
of their first meetings were published as "Colonial Crucible: Empire in the Making of the Modern American State.”
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<div class="">His recent article "World War III With China: How It Might Actually Be Fought” envisions the outcome of the US war provocations against China undertaken in the Bush-Obama-Clinton (as Secretary of State) administrations, and continued in the Trump
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<div class="">To avoid cross posting, I’ve sent the article to the <<a href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" class="">peace@anti-war.net</a>> list, as a call to action.</div>
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<div class="">AWARE and the anti-war movement in general should work strenuously against the outcome McCoy envisages, by informing the generally anti-war US public of where our government’s policy is leading. —CGE</div>
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