<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Stuart—<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If by ‘game the system’ you mean, use the AWARE email lists for information and discussion about US war-making, then, yes, I am.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your motive in suppressing my postings to these lists is less clear. Cui bono? Who profits from cutting down on communication on these matters?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is it better to have less discussion of matters such as as antifa or intersectionality and let orthodoxies on such matters stand?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">‘Deplatforming’ is not an anti-war strategy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As Orwell wrote, in the (suppressed) preface to ‘Animal Farm,’ “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:47 PM, stuartnlevy <<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" class="">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Thank you, Mort.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Carl, with these two postings it just looks like you are working to game the system. Really, are either of them calls to action? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Earlier this week I passed along a Code Pink call to action which feels much more like one: to lobby our US Senators to publicly oppose a bill which would break the Iran nuclear deal and reimpose sanctions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Earlier today I read two other calls to action from two other environmental groups. Those messages are not urging people to believe or disbelieve something, nor trying to start a discussion or an argument. Rather they are asking people to get out and do particular things which will advance their causes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think it is worth talking about the role of the antifa, even though I think focusing on it is a distraction from anything we're doing to oppose war, to argue over the tactics of a group we aren't even a part of. I also think it's worth talking about Phyllis Bennis' comments on the value for the peace movement of recognizing linkages between our goals and other groups', and working together with them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But those aren't discussions that belong on the Peace list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""> -- Stuart</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" class=""><!-- originalMessage --><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class="">From: "Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss" <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> </div><div class="">Date: 10/18/17 20:40 (GMT-06:00) </div><div class="">To: C G Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com" class="">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>> </div><div class="">Cc: Peace-discuss List <<a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> </div><div class="">Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] World War III </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>
In my mind this is unfairly provocative. Stuart has been doing a conscientious and good job monitoring the Peace list, and explaining his criteria.
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<div class="">On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:59 PM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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Alfred McCoy, professor of history at the University of Wisconsin-Madison is author of the forthcoming "In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of U.S. Global Power” (Dispatch Books, September). His previous books include: "Torture and
Impunity: The U.S. Doctrine of Coercive Interrogation" (University of Wisconsin, 2012), "A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror" (American Empire Project); "Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines,
and the Rise of the Surveillance State," and "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade." He has also convened the 'Empires in Transition/ project, a global working group of 140 historians from universities on four continents. The results
of their first meetings were published as "Colonial Crucible: Empire in the Making of the Modern American State.”
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<div class="">His recent article "World War III With China: How It Might Actually Be Fought” envisions the outcome of the US war provocations against China undertaken in the Bush-Obama-Clinton (as Secretary of State) administrations, and continued in the Trump
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<div class="">To avoid cross posting, I’ve sent the article to the <<a href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" class="">peace@anti-war.net</a>> list, as a call to action.</div>
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<div class="">AWARE and the anti-war movement in general should work strenuously against the outcome McCoy envisages, by informing the generally anti-war US public of where our government’s policy is leading. —CGE</div>
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