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<div class="">Many think discussion of foreign policy, is just another issue like racism, gender discrimination, proliferation of weapons around the world, US massacres of our own citizens as well as the millions around the world, lack of jobs, poverty, as
well as global warming. They are not, though global warming maybe of equal “concern,” with the potential for nuclear war. It cannot be eradicated without changes to our “foreign policy,” like all the other issues of concern. </div>
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<div class="">The roots of our foreign policy is imperialism and hegemony, a result of capitalism and the drive for profits for the elites. </div>
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<div class="">Deep discussion of US foreign policy issues, results in deep discussion of the roots, which is capitalism, and imperialism as a result. Our two Party system can’t allow this discussion, given they support capitalism. The resultant wars are well,
“too bad, but you gotta do what you gotta do to achieve your goals.” </div>
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<div class="">The corporates/elites who control the two Party system know that reforms or attempts to change the many problems facing society, will not succeed without changes to our profit driven system, but keeping the people divided and focused on issue
change, keeps us from dealing with the most important “real issue” which requires system change.</div>
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<div class="">Does this mean, Janine Turner is thinking along these lines, is she an elite profiting from war and capitalism? Maybe, maybe not. Quite likely she is like many who support the organization they believe of value, or that which provides their paycheck. </div>
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<div class="">Either they support it without question following the rules laid down before them, or they know but just don’t care. </div>
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<p class="yiv8602317541MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="">I have always loved your sense of humor David, and YES, we do need to call out the so called “ Progressives “ and their candidates need to be called to account on foreign policy.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8602317541MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="">Even such firebrands in the “ Our Revolution “ revolt within the Democratic party like Nina Turner from Ohio is very uncomfortable about talking about foreign policy and anti-war issues.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8602317541MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" class="">It’s a “ taboo “ subject because even Bernie Sanders has supported the war machine consistently.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv8602317541MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Peace-discuss [<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Peace-discuss] Alternative to listening to Warmonger Elliot Cohen</span></p>
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to be a cure for insomnia. In any case, we need to have a community in which academic discourse of this nature does not set the agenda, unless there is a real opportunity for an organized civil response. For example, it's important that the Democratic candidates
for Congress be called to account for the views on foreign policy. That means that their "progressive" supporters need to be called to account.</span></p>
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