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Thank you, I have posted the Executive Order on FB, its very important.
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<div class="">We’ll see what some of our international friends have to say about it.
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<div class="">Just imagine if we had the power to apply it, Trump, Obama, Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, their advisors, the Pentagon, Think Tanks, CIA, all the contractors and subcontractors, all the corporations profiting from our wars and interventions. They’re
all loaded. The money could go to pay reparations to all those our government is responsible for murdering, raping, destroying……….housing, infrastructure, though unfortunately money won’t bring back the dead. </div>
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:24, <a href="mailto:bjornsona@ameritech.net" class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Thanks, Karen. I am new at this list thing. I appreciate all your info very much. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Date: </b>Fri, Dec 22, 2017 2:16 PM</div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>Re: [Peace-discuss] Asset Seizure 12/21 Exe. Order</div>
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Can you send it to us, when googling, the last update was in 2015 under Obama, though now erased. Which makes sense if there is a new one now.
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:14, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dear Carl: Just saw this today, hidden amid the flurry of other executive orders put out yesterday by our country's owners. The implications are far worse than RICO, of course, w<span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">hich I saw operate
years ago on drug dealers in Evanston. </span></div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Dat e: </b>Fri, Dec 22, 2017 11:07 AM</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">To: </b>Karen Aram;</div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>Re: [Peace-discuss] Decry discrimination: accept exploitation</div>
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<div class="">"Clinton lost because PA, WI, and MI have high casualty rates and saw her as pro-war, study says"</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">I agree with your statement below, as well as that which the article below emphasizes: </div>
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<div class="">"<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Guardian Text Egyptian Web', Georgia, serif;" class="">Lilla saw firsthand the deterioration of the relationship between the Democratic party and working-class whites in Michigan, a breakdown
motivated in part by “the sense people had that there was a Democratic cultural elite that looked down on them and their religion and their family life and their traditional views”.</span></div>
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In an influential 1985 study of Macomb, Stan Greenberg, a pollster, argued that white rust belt voters lost faith in the Democratic party due to a perception that it advocated for other groups – black Americans, the very poor, recent immigrants, feminists –
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<div class="">Where I disagree with you, is when you insist that the “rust belt folks support Trump because they are opposed to war” That is wishful thinking on your part. </div>
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<div class="">Those that supported Trump as the anti-war candidate tend to be the educated republicans who oppose war, they had hope based upon
<b class="">some</b> of what he said in his campaign speech. They of course were wrong just as the liberal Democrats were wrong in supporting Obama, as a peace candidate. </div>
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<div class="">The American people need to stop putting faith in anything a candidate has to say and look behind the curtain of OZ, as to who is controlling the candidate. Neither Democrat or Republican Parties will allow a President to follow his own path,
assuming he has one other than getting elected, given ownership by the corporate elites. </div>
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<p class="">"Macomb County, Michigan, Lilla’s birthplace just outside Detroit, was one of the rust belt counties that voted twice for Obama before going for Trump – a fact which complicates the progressive ‘whitelash' thesis that Trump voters were motivated
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<p class="">The desperate attempt to blame this fact on racism and/or misogyny shows that identity politics is a cover for liberals' abandonment of class politics. </p>
<div class="">Its real source is the immiseration of the American middle class and the confiscation of their life chances, in comparison with their parents, over 40 years of accelerating growth of inequality. </div>
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<div class="">Liberals decry discrimination in order not to have to talk about exploitation. </div>
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