<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you. What then is to be done?<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">"The revolution in Russia was a revolution against the 'communist manifesto’” is true (and pure Chomsky). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ali has recently published the following:</div><div class=""><div class="">"The Dilemmas of Lenin: Terrorism, War, Empire, Love, Revolution” (2017); and</div><div class=""><div class="">"The Communist Manifesto / The April Theses” by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels (2016)</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But I would argue </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] the US won in Vietnam - not that it achieved its maximum war aims, but it prevented “the threat of a good example” - independent economic development in Asia - which is what the war was about; and </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[2] 'The Sixties’ and the 'crisis of democracy’ (viz.: there was too much democracy coming by 1970) produced the conscious, calculated counter-attack by US business: neoliberalism. </div><div class="">The result has been 40 years of increased and accelerating inequality (whicih incidentally gave us Trump) - and the rise (not of 'the Right’) of populism (Sanders, Trump, Brexit, Le Pen, M5S, et al.).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:05 PM, kmedina67 via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Some points made by Tariq Ali, as I remember them -Karen Medina:</div><div class="">* 1968, end of the old style of revolutions. </div><div class="">* two great wins:</div><div class="">1) Vietnamese people won against US.</div><div class="">2) anti- war movement wins. A win that keeps the US from openly committing war until the 1990s. Anti-war Veterans, demonstrated at the Pentagon, dating that Vietnam would win and the US veterans were supporting the Vietnamese win. </div><div class="">--</div><div class="">Portugal as the single best experiment in socialism, and this is because of a refusal to accept dictatorship. All other attempts accepted dictatorship, a proletariat dictatorship is a dictatorship. </div><div class="">--</div><div class=""> Side note: Iraq, was the arab country with the most women educated. </div><div class="">Iran was second. Syria too, women educated. </div><div class="">--</div><div class="">Imperialism. </div><div class="">The United states needs to change. The west coast was the tech revolution. Still leader. But imperialism and forcing others to go along with the US is not going to last.</div><div class="">--</div><div class="">England, </div><div class="">Had an open invitation for people to join the right wing party, got a leftist and had to give him air time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[There was a lot more, but i was not taking notes. Only what I can remember after the talk].</div><div class="">-----</div><div class="">In response to Ken Salo's question:</div><div class="">Ali totally dismissed Marx as laying out a clear alternative to capitalism. Marx is great at pointing out flaws of capitalism. Marx is great at political analysis. But not a prediction of the future, and nor explicating the solution. / The revolution in Russia was a revolution against the " communist manifesto".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 100%;" class=""><!-- originalMessage --><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class="">From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> </div><div class="">Date: 3/25/18 20:28 (GMT-06:00) </div><div class="">To: "Peace-discuss List (<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>)" <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> </div><div class="">Cc: Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@anti-war.net" class="">peace@anti-war.net</a>> </div><div class="">Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tariq Ali speaks at UIUC this Thursday </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><p class=""><i class="">THIS THURSDAY - NOT TO BE MISSED</i><b class=""><br class=""> =============================<br class=""> Tariq Ali - "The Broken Ladder: <br class=""> The Global Left Fifty Years After 1968"</b></p><div class="text_exposed_show"><p class=""> March 29, 7:30pm<br class=""> 210 Levis Faculty Center </p><p class="">
At the end of the Cold War, the notion of revolution seemed to have
been placed among the relics of history. Francis Fukuyama’s “end of
history” and Samuel Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” emerged as
bold, alternative frameworks to imagine the course of history after the
age of political revolutions had come to an end. Then, the so called
Arab Springs and the re-emergence of radical narratives of
transformation, from Ukraine to Venezuela, have forced intellectuals and
politicians to reconsider the actuality and the meaning of revolutions
in the age of globalization.</p><p class=""> Also,========================<br class=""> Joint Area Centers Symposium (JACS) <br class=""> "Revolutions: Past and Futures of Radical Transformations"</p><p class=""> March 30, 9:30am-6:30pm<br class=""> Levis Faculty Center, Music Room</p><p class="">
The symposium will be articulated around 4 themes: 1) religion and
revolution, 2) anti-colonialism, 3) violence and transformation, and 4)
gender, race, minorities and revolution. The goal of the symposium is to
bring experts from different disciplines and different geographical
areas to articulate the productiveness or the anachronism of the concept
of revolution in multiple cultural contexts. Scholars from and experts
on China, India, Latin America, Europe and Africa will provide a truly
transnational perspective to the symposium.</p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Peace mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Peace@lists.chambana.net" class="">Peace@lists.chambana.net</a><br class="">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></body></html>