<div dir="ltr">I would add that, yes, Dowd steps back and is critical of Democrats, and is astute about their "dilemma" in relation to Trump's diplomacy. But of course this process has been driven from Korea itself, and it seems cynical, not just skeptical, not to emphasize that. But of course Kristoff is worse, in terms of his own human rights hypocrisy.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 12:00 PM, David Green <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davidgreen50@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidgreen50@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Here we have one of the most positive things in years, and Dowd is more concerned about being snarky then about objectively analyzing what Trump may have had or not had to do with it, and how she herself might understand the situation in a way that would, in fair and realistic as well as hopeful terms, help to move the process forward. The liberal establishment does NOT want Trump to be able to take credit for any of this, fairly or unfairly, for reasons that have to do with the general geopolitics of the ruling class, and the specific ambitions of the Democratic Party.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Stuart Levy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stuartnlevy@gmail.com" target="_blank">stuartnlevy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I haven't read the Kristoff piece yet, but how are you reading Dowd
as cynically opposing peace between the Koreas? Look, she says:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">But for the moment, President Trump’s
peculiar form of diplomacy — a combination of belligerence,
bluster, name-calling and ignorance of history — has somehow
produced a possible breakthrough in North Korea that eluded his
predecessors.</blockquote>
She's pointing out that Trump is, despite frantic opposition,
actually getting this right - she seems be not at all ironic in
saying that if successful, Trump unlike Kissinger would actually
deserve a Nobel Peace Prize - and also pointing out that the Dems
are hanging themselves if they think that all they need to be is
anti-Trump. This sounds pretty good to me. What am I missing?<div><div class="m_-4965776943702168424h5"><br>
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<div>The viciousness and cynicism of War Party liberals is on
full display (Kristoff, Dowd) on the NYT op-ed page. God
forbid peace should break out on Trump's watch.</div>
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