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<div class="">On May 10, 2018, at 11:31, C G Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com" class="">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Instead of ‘Capital,' you may be thinking of Lenin’s 'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism,' which "describes the function of financial capital in generating profits from imperialist colonialism as the final stage of capitalist development
... The essay is a synthesis of Lenin's modifications and developments of economic theories that Karl Marx formulated in Das Kapital (1867)” <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism,_the_Highest_Stage_of_Capitalism" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism,_the_Highest_Stage_of_Capitalism</a>>.</div>
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<div class="">"Now of course everything would be so much simpler if the class struggle were altogether perspicuous, but it is not; it comes in a variety of disguises. In the first place the simple division into two classes won't do. The basic antagonism that
lies at the root of society produces a whole series of naturally hostile groupings engaged in shifting alliances and confrontations. It is almost never a simple matter to decide in the case of any particular dispute which side is to be supported in the furtherance
of the emancipation of the working class and the consequent abolition of all class antagonisms. Very familiar instances of these difficulties occur with national liberation movements which are always a confusion of different elements struggling for different
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"Nothing in Karl Marx that I know of ... provides you with a simple key to what to do in such cases. Marx said: 'All the struggles within the State, the struggle between democracy, aristocracy and monarchy, the struggle for the franchise, etc, are merely the illusory
forms in which the real struggles of the different classes with each other are fought out'. No doubt, but getting through the illusions to the reality is a difficult and delicate business.” [H. McCabe]</div>
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<div class="">On May 10, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Karen Aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" class="">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">I think we all need to reread Marx’s “Das Kapital,” the answer to all, lies within. Imperialism, is the last stage of capitalism.
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Therefore, all those capitalists profiting from our imperialism are pulling the strings, and they range across the globe from the US, the KSA, Israel, Russia and China, and all the little nations within. They come in all colors, sizes. They exist within Iran,
Syria, Catalonia, etc.,etc. they are all contributors.<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On May 10, 2018, at 10:53, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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I think the Saker is often worth reading, but the asseveration that the crimes of the US government occur because “the USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever” (what I called “the higher anti-Semitism”)
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Of course, that has little to do with "associating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism."<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On May 10, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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Yes, I think people on this list should read the whole Saker article: <a href="http://thesaker.is/the-warmakers/" class="">
http://thesaker.is/the-warmakers/</a><br class="">
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It may be overly sanguine about the resourcefulness and determination of Iran in what looks like an incipient war, but in my view it hits many right notes in its comprehensive analysis of the current events.
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As to the "higher antisemitism" supposedly displayed there, this ploy is redolent of associating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. It does not reflect well on Carl Estabrook.
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On May 10, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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That’s a good example of ‘the higher anti-semitsm’ (“the Jews made us do it”)<br class="">
It’s an absolute disgrace that Carl accused Mort of being anti-semitic—the last refuge of a scoundrel.<br class="">
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From: Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>> On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss<br class="">
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 11:24 AM<br class="">
To: Brussel, Morton K <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" class="">brussel@illinois.edu</a>><br class="">
Cc: Peace Discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@anti-war.net" class="">peace-discuss@anti-war.net</a>><br class="">
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Israeli influence…<br class="">
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On May 10, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote (quoting The Saker),<br class="">
"Israel has now fully subjugated all the branches of the US government to its agents (the Neocons) and that they now run everything: from the two branches of the Uniparty to Congress, to the media and, now that Trump has abjectly caved in to all their demands,
they also run the White House. They apparently also run the CIA, but there still might be some resistance to their lunacy in the Pentagon. The USA is now quite literally run by a Zionist Occupation Government, no doubt about it whatsoever.”<br class="">
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That’s a good example of ‘the higher anti-semitsm’ (“the Jews made us do it”) that exculpates the US from its political and military crimes: “...it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, 'Wilsonian idealism,' etc., merely in the
grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape.” <br class="">
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Stephen Zunes has rightly pointed out, “there are far more powerful interests that have a stake in what happens in the Persian Gulf region than does AIPAC [or the Lobby generally], such as the oil companies, the arms industry and other special interests whose
lobbying influence and campaign contributions far surpass that of the much-vaunted Zionist lobby and its allied donors to congressional races.”<br class="">
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