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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 15, 2018 5:06 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> FW: Bernstein interview: COULD “BLOODY” GINA HASPEL FACE ARREST AS A SERIAL TORTURER IF SHE TRAVELS ABROAD? – Consortiumnews<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Bernstein interview: COULD “BLOODY” GINA HASPEL FACE ARREST AS A SERIAL TORTURER IF SHE TRAVELS ABROAD?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">An interview with International Law Expert, Francis Boyle, on the pro-torture Trump nominee to head-up Central Intelligence, and the dangerous and continuing illegal Israeli bombing
of Syria.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">By Dennis J Bernstein</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Francis Boyle is professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He is the author of many books on International Law and an outspoken critic of US policy
in the Middle East. Boyle’s books include <i>Foundations of World Order</i> and the sequel,
<i>Destroying World Order</i>. In the following interview with Pacifica Radio host Dennis J Bernstein, Boyle warns that, among other things, given her background as key implementer of the US torture program, Gina Haspel is vulnerable to be arrested for war
crimes and crimes against humanity if she travels abroad.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dennis Bernstein spoke with Francis Boyle on May 10th, 2018.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dennis Bernstein:
</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">You may have heard by now that Israel is blaming Iran for attempting to target the occupied Golan Heights with missiles, and they say that they are responding. But there have
been reports that Israel opened fire only hours after the US pulled out of the Iran deal. Francis Boyle, who do you believe in terms of who is firing missiles at whom? Who has the motivation?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Francis Boyle:</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> It appears that Israel has decided to escalate, with a green light from the Trump
administration. It also appears that this has been coordinated with Trump pulling out of the nuclear agreement.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">You have to understand that Iranian troops are in Syria with the legitimate consent of the Syrian government under the right of collective self-defense, recognized under UN Charter Article
51. The reason Iran went in there was because, starting with Clinton and Obama, the United States decided to overthrow the government of Syria in violation of international law, including the decision of the International Court of Justice in the Nicaragua
case.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As for Israel in the Golan Heights, it is clearly there illegally. Israel stole the Golan Heights in 1967 and they have refused to leave. They have refused to negotiate in good faith
with Syria, except when Prime Minister Rabin did negotiate a comprehensive peace settlement with Syria along the lines of the peace settlement with Egypt. Of course, he was assassinated by religious fundamentalists for that reason. Netanyahu has made it clear
that Israel is not going to leave the region. It is a very dangerous situation we are in today.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">DB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">You talked about Israel essentially taking off the gloves. We have seen many presidents side with Israel when it slaughters Palestinians. Is there something new here? Is there going
to be that final attempt at regime change in Syria?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">FB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">General Wesley Clark says it all in his memoirs. After 9/11 he went to the Pentagon–then under the control of the Bush, Jr. neocons–and the Pentagon told him that there was a plan
to take over and destroy several different Muslim states. Iraq was on the list, Afghanistan, Sudan, Libya, Lebanon, Iran and Syria. Clearly Syria has been in the crosshairs from at least that time.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">DB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There is another subject that you have been addressing for several years and that is illegal torture programs. It looks like we are going to have a new CIA director who likes to
get her hands dirty and participate directly in torture. She has also been actively involved in making sure nobody finds out that torture takes place.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">FB:</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> “Bloody” Gina Haspel is her nickname at the CIA. She was directly involved in the extraordinary
rendition program, which is a euphemism for the enforced disappearance of human beings and their consequent torture. This was in the complaint I filed against Bush and company in 2010 with the International Criminal Court for this crime against humanity.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Last fall the ICC prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, said she is going to open up an investigation into the entire CIA extraordinary rendition program for violating the Rome Statute. Although
the United States is not a party to the Rome Statute, these actions took place on the territorial sovereignty of Rome Statute states, and therefore the ICC does have jurisdiction. In my opinion, Gina Haspel is a presumptive war criminal and torturer. It looks
like she might get confirmed, and then we will have a torturer and war criminal as head of the CIA.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As I have argued in anti-CIA cases here in the United States, the CIA is an organized criminal conspiracy like the SS and the Gestapo. We argued that successfully back in 1987 at University
of Massachusetts, Amherst. I was involved in large numbers of CIA protest cases back in the 1980’s because of what was going on in Central America, with 35,000 dead in Nicaragua, 75,000 dead in El Salvador, and perhaps a quarter of a million in Guatemala.
Most of those killed were Mayan Indians, which meant outright genocide.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">DB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Will it be difficult for our director of the CIA to travel abroad? Maybe she has to be covert forever.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">FB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">That is correct. Under international law today–following a terrible decision by the International Court of Justice–heads of state and foreign ministers have diplomatic immunity while
there are in office. But that is not going to apply to the head of the CIA.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I have a whole dossier here against Bush, Jr. and the rest of them for the extraordinary rendition program. We scared him out of Switzerland over that. A Swiss prosecutor demanded that
Bush be prosecuted if he showed up in Switzerland. I know that Amnesty International and the Center for Constitutional Rights also have extensive dossiers against high-level US officials involved in these torture programs, including Haspel. She would be
a sitting duck for international human rights lawyers. The evidence is there.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We have a 600-page executive summary of the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee’s report on the extent of torture and extraordinary disappearances by the CIA. This is an official US
government document. She was not personally named in there, but she was a high-level official who was personally involved. She certainly supervised the operation in Thailand. Under international law, there is a command responsibility. She is denying that
she herself physically tortured anyone, but she supervised others doing the torturing. Under international criminal law, she is accountable for the criminal behavior she oversaw.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">DB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">She admitted at the hearing that she had the tapes of these torture sessions but she considered it prudent to destroy them.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">FB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The Senate Committee had just announced their investigation so her boss, Jose Rodriguez, ordered her to destroy the tapes. Arguably, this would be obstruction of justice. Unless
something happens within the next couple weeks, we are going to be seeing a notorious international criminal heading up the CIA. In my opinion, any senator who votes to confirm her becomes an accessory after the fact to her crimes: torture, war crimes, crimes
against humanity, and violations of the Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Torture.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">DB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This is a very difficult time. We are all worried about our friend Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst who was brutalized while protesting the Haspel nomination. Obviously, they
are very serious about shutting up anyone protesting torture.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">FB: </span>
</b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ray arguably has the defense of prevention of crimes under international law. I am not saying it would be a winner, because it is always tough going into a federal court and defending
anyone protesting and resisting criminal behavior by the United States government.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Dennis J. Bernstein is a host of “Flashpoints” on the Pacifica radio network and the author of </span></b><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.nyqbooks.org/title/specialed"><b>Special
Ed: Voices from a Hidden Classroom</b></a></span></i><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">. You can access the audio archives at <a href="http://www.flashpoints.net/">www.flashpoints.net</a>. You can get in touch with the
author at <a href="mailto:dbernstein@igc.org">dbernstein@igc.org</a>.</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Boyle, Francis A <<a href="mailto:fboyle@illinois.edu">fboyle@illinois.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Bernstein interview: COULD “BLOODY” GINA HASPEL FACE ARREST AS A SERIAL TORTURER IF SHE TRAVELS ABROAD? – Consortiumnews<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><a href="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xTjW4GaFfH8J:https://consortiumnews.com/2018/05/15/bernstein-interview-could-bloody-gina-haspel-face-arrest-as-a-serial-torturer-if-she-travels-abroad/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&lr=lang_de%7clang_en%7clang_es%7clang_fr%7clang_hr%7clang_it%7clang_be%7clang_sr"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1975D1">Bernstein
interview: COULD “BLOODY” GINA HASPEL FACE ARREST AS A SERIAL TORTURER IF SHE TRAVELS ABROAD?</span></a>
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illegal Israeli bombing of Syria. By Dennis J Bernstein Francis Boyle is professor of international law at the University of Illinois C
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