<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I agree that electoral abstentionism (“ultra-left” or otherwise) is not correct.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Instead, we should actively oppose Democratic control of the House (that means voting for Rodney, here).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They haven’t used it well. And ‘Russiagate’ now disqualifies them from controlling foreign policy, despite the budding anti-warriors you find.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The flowers that bloom in the spring have nothing to do with the case. —CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 23, 2018, at 1:25 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I promise that if Betsy Dirksen Londrigan is elected to the House, she will vote against unauthorized U.S. participation in the Saudi war in Yemen. She and her staff have given me personal commitments to this effect. I would not be supporting her so strongly otherwise. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I promise that if Democrats retake the House, we will get more votes in the House on war and peace. Just now the House Rules Committee blocked floor consideration of Rep. Khanna's amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would have prohibited U.S. refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen. If Dems retake the House, Jim McGovern will be chair of the Rules Committee. It's going to be an anti-war amendment Jamboree. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm totally in favor of giving Democrats a hard time on war and peace. But ultra-left electoral abstentionism hasn't done squat and isn't going to do squat to give Democrats a hard time on war and peace. Democratic politicians care about ultra-left electoral abstentionism like the ocean cares about the discharge of a squirt gun. Some people may find ultra-left electoral abstentionism emotionally satisfying personally, but then we should understand that what is driving them is a selfish personal desire for self-actualization, not an informed desire to make the world less unjust. <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Robert Naiman<br class="">Policy Director<br class="">Just Foreign Policy<br class=""><a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/" target="_blank" class="">www.justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" target="_blank" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a><br class=""><div class=""><span style="text-align:left" class="">(202) 448-2898 x1</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">What would it mean to have “given up on electoral politics”? And why do you think I’d done it?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But I have yet to hear an answer to the question, 'Which is to be preferred in 2019, a House controlled by the Democrat or by the Republican party, and why?'<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your answer should be well-spelt, grammatical, and contain the term ‘Russiagate’…</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—CGE</div></font></span><span class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 22, 2018, at 10:43 PM, David Enstrom via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_5528149089657585496Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Bizzare and contorted about sums this string up bery nicely. Carl I thought you and given up on electoral politics. I guess I was mistaken. </div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:28 PM Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.<wbr class="">net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Which is more likely to hesitate at Deep State war-mongering, a Republican House, or a Democratic one?<br class="">
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John Pilger wrote in 2016, “The CIA, Pentagon generals, and the pro-war New York Times demand Trump not be elected. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Russian president Putin, then with China’s president Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire…”<br class="">
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The Democrats' panic at the threat that Trump would abandon Obama's war provocations produced Russiagate. <br class="">
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They should not be rewarded for that with control of the House.<br class="">
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—CGE<br class="">
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