<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I’ve been talking about parties and their control of the House - not individual candidates or their records.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have no reason to believe that either Davis or his opponent will become anti-war.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 23, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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You are not only, not convincing anyone to vote for Rodney, you’ve convinced me to support the Democrat opponent, I will choke while voting for her, but nothing you have said is related to the record of Rodney as a candidate. You continually focus on some fantasy
that he is more apt to become anti-war than the Democrat candidate. Wishing it so won’t make it so.
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<div class="">Anyone wishing to contact me, that I care to hear from, has my email address. I am removing myself from Peace Disguss, pun intended.</div>
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Deciding whom to vote for is a bloody waste of time?
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Bloody waste of time, distracting us from doing what we should be doing, rising up against the imperialist oligarchs, in order to have the last word.
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And all you have to know about Robert Naiman is his disingenuous work for the neoconservative (more war) and neoliberal (more inequality) Democratic candidate in the last election:
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<div class="">On May 23, 2018, at 7:50 AM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org" class="">naiman@justforeignpolicy.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">"Sir, I knew Tim Johnson, and you are no Tim Johnson." </div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Robert, while I commend you for acquiring those promises from Democrats, the fact that they are personal promises. and they aren’t willing to “put it in writing” so to speak on their website etc., not that it’s a guarantee
either, it doesn’t make one feel anymore secure or confident.
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<div class="">While I generally agree with your statement in relation to “those choosing not to vote,” I no longer support the whole electoral process as anything more than an exercise in futility and distraction, the reason I posted the Chris Hedges article
in the first place, and especially when the distinction between candidates being little different. </div>
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<div class="">However, given the abysmal record of Rodney Davis, almost anyone would likely be better and it would be a true miscarriage of justice if he were to be re-elected. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">I promise that if Betsy Dirksen Londrigan is elected to the House, she will vote against unauthorized U.S. participation in the Saudi war in Yemen. She and her staff have given me personal commitments to this effect. I would not be supporting
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<div class="">I promise that if Democrats retake the House, we will get more votes in the House on war and peace. Just now the House Rules Committee blocked floor consideration of Rep. Khanna's amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would
have prohibited U.S. refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen. If Dems retake the House, Jim McGovern will be chair of the Rules Committee. It's going to be an anti-war amendment Jamboree. </div>
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<div class="">I'm totally in favor of giving Democrats a hard time on war and peace. But ultra-left electoral abstentionism hasn't done squat and isn't going to do squat to give Democrats a hard time on war and peace. Democratic politicians care about ultra-left
electoral abstentionism like the ocean cares about the discharge of a squirt gun. Some people may find ultra-left electoral abstentionism emotionally satisfying personally, but then we should understand that what is driving them is a selfish personal desire
for self-actualization, not an informed desire to make the world less unjust. <br class="">
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will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Russian president Putin, then with China’s president Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire…”<br class="">
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