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I might learn from him too, if I could just understand him. I guess he doesn’t appreciate my giving him an out, you know with drugs due to pain. I often don’t understand you either, but I know I can always look up Chomsky or Macabe.
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A friend indeed, and a clever and well-informed one - whom I don't always agree with but always learn from. —CGE<br class="">
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Ignore him, a friend of Carl’s, living in Beijing, just undergone surgery and on meds. He’s really a nice guy, but like Carl,,,,,,
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As to whether or not they can be afforded the answer is always no. No one knows how it will turn out.
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Don't let them tell you that your personal restriction of family size is doing good. It is nonsense. those same folk would seek to tell you that your vote means anything in the mass scale of things.<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Personal views on what the appropriate size of one's family ought to be, and how many children one can support, both from the father's perspective and the mother's perspective, vary greatly from economic cycle to country, cultural,
religious viewpoint, and especially in wartime as we know. Views on how many children can be supported also frequently vary between the father and the mother. (In which case, I, of course, am on the side of the person having or choosing to co-operate with
God, aka the Life Force of the Universe, the Higher Power, the 9-10 months of growing a zygote-fetus-into a beautiful child.) I am interested in how agendas on contraception & sterilization change over different countries, political parties & oppressed peoples.
One would think fundamentalist Christians seeing Revelation being fulfilled would look at the verse saying Woe to those with child and be for contraception. Cognition dissonance is their str ength. Or am I projecting again?</div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Date: </b>Sun, May 27, 2018 9:18 AM</div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b>Peace-discuss List;Karen Aram;</div>
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Don’t be ridiculous. Population stabilizes with development and social justice.
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<div class="">People aren’t poor because they have too many children. People have too many children because they’re poo r - an extended family in the only form of social security in societies lacking social justice. <br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Che's remark shows an ignorance of the relationships between over population, individual suffering, environmental degradation and WAR. </div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Che clearly not a demographer. </div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">The US contraceptive and anti-natal policies were meant to reduce the population pressures for social justice in America’s semi-colonies, particularly in Latin America.
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Fear of forced sterilization is not an excuse for preventing a woman’s choice over her body. In fact, forcing childbirth is little different from forced sterilization. Killing the unborn, we’re speaking of seeds and
fetuses not babies, is not the same thing as killing children already born, living their lives.
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