<html><head></head><body dir="auto" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, ‘nationalism’ is being used in two conflicting ways:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(1) the interests of a country's elite minority; (2) the interests of the majority, as when we speak of the interests of the nation versus neoliberalism. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 4, 2018, at 2:52 PM, David Green <<a href="mailto:davidgreen50@gmail.com" class="">davidgreen50@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Very interesting; but the more the word nationalism gets used from various persuasions, whether positively or pejoratively, the less it seems to mean in a consistent way; but nationalism has always been a kind of fiction, as Eric Hobsbawm and others taught us; as well as a political football, perhaps relevant as the World Cup approaches and we see that national identity is a given in the most crass and chauvinistic terms.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="-ms-word-wrap: break-word;" class=""><a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156331653311678&set=a.10150294029661678.381794.775051677&type=3&theater" target="_blank" class="">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr class="">photo.php?fbid=<wbr class="">10156331653311678&set=a.<wbr class="">10150294029661678.381794.<wbr class="">775051677&type=3&theater</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="m_4249881446958832610clearfix m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftAuthorInfo m_4249881446958832610_xlu"><div class="m_4249881446958832610_8u m_4249881446958832610clearfix m_4249881446958832610_42ef"><div class="m_4249881446958832610_6a"><div class="m_4249881446958832610_6b m_4249881446958832610_6a"><span class="m_4249881446958832610fsm m_4249881446958832610fwn m_4249881446958832610mrs m_4249881446958832610fcg"><span id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftTimestampAudienceContainer" class=""><div id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftAudienceSelector" class=""><div class="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotosAudienceContainerNotEditable m_4249881446958832610mbs"></div></div></span><span id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftExpiration" class=""></span><span id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftBlock" class=""></span></span><div class="m_4249881446958832610fsm m_4249881446958832610fcg m_4249881446958832610fwn"><div class="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotosOnProfile" id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftOnProfile"></div></div><span id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftViewOnApp" class=""></span><span id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftUseApp" class=""></span></div></div></div></div><div class="m_4249881446958832610_xlr"><span class="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotosPhotoContext" id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftContext"></span><span class="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotosPhotoCaption" id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftCaption">ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME – AGAIN <br class=""> <br class="">
Steve Bannon is absolutely bonkers with what’s goin’ on in Italy. La
Repubblica calls him “the Dark Knight of global populism”. He talked to
the paper (portal). Here’s the low down. <br class=""> <br class=""> For Bannon, “Rome is
now at the center of world politics” (correct). He has “advised” La
Lega’s Salvini, and said they paid due attention. <br class=""> <br class="">
He’s enthusiastic that Lega and 5S “hit the heart of the European
beast” (correct), foreign capitals and “foreign opposition media” (FT,
Le Monde, etc.). He considers Salvini and Di Maio “heroic” – and the
other hero is Berlusconi (not really). On 5S, he says they are “similar
to socialist Sanders in the US”, anti-establishment and for
transparency. And are allies to Italy’s “Trump” – referring to Salvini.
<br class=""> <br class=""> He’s sure “Brussels, the stock market and the financial powers will go through hell” (correct). <br class=""> <br class="">
For Bannon, Italy is “a sleeping giant, with a huge economy” (correct).
Brussels and media like the FT are “afraid of Italy” (true – the FT
even invoked “barbarians”). <br class=""> <br class=""> He expects a “confederation of
free states” to emerge in place of the current EU (not so fast). “The
fascists are in Brussels” (relatively correct). And “we are on the right
side of history; Merkel and Macron will fall” (not so fast). <br class=""> <br class="">
Trump is “back to his national-populist agenda” and “things could not be
better for the US” (incorrect). Especially now that “the military have
been sidelined from the administration” (but not the deep state – on the
contrary). He thinks Pompeo could become President one day (Lord have
mercy). <br class=""> <br class=""> Bannon thinks the Judeo-Christian West must be united –
thus no Russia demonization. He stresses Russia’s economy is smaller
than Italy’s (correct). “The problem is Russia is hated by the Democrats
because is a nationalist country and they have the Orthodox Church
(fundamentally correct). “The real problem is Iran” (ridiculous). <br class=""> <br class=""> Well, as you can see the man IS on a roll.</span></div><div class="m_4249881446958832610_xlr"><br class=""></div><div class="m_4249881446958832610_xlr">###</div><div class="m_4249881446958832610_xlr"><br class=""><div id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftCTMButton" style="width:95%;padding-top:5%" class=""></div><div class="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoProductsTagList m_4249881446958832610pts" id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftProductsTagList"></div><div class="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoProductTags" id="m_4249881446958832610fbPhotoSnowliftProductTags"></div></div></div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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