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So glad to hear that Stuart, not that its changed my mind regarding BTA. However, I do applaud them for doing good things, especially going ahead and organizing a second anti-ICE rally. I hope they, and or others continue to do so.
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<div class="">Never mind that they backed out of working with us because some of us are socialists, you’re not a socialist so that probably doesn’t bother you, I am, so it does, and I was curious over their perceived concern that “someone might mention Palestine.” </div>
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<div class="">The article David Green posted from Mondoweiss, does explain, their separation of foreign policy from domestic.
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That maybe what you were told, but not what I was told, and as I said it wasn’t just about Israel, it was about the politics of many of the organizers.
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<div class="">As to BTA, I have no familiarity with them other than this one experience, and the article David just posted. </div>
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<div class="">We all should be unifying, they had their chance as an organization, they chose not to do so. </div>
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<div class="">I commend you, given our differences, for working with us on the Medea project in our continuing efforts to prevent further wars.</div>
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It wasn't just that '<span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">mention of “Palestine" might come up'. A number of people in the group objected to specific things that they feared "anti-Israel" people would say and they didn't want to be associated
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">Full disclosure: I'm not quite a member, but sort of a lurker on the outskirts of the local BtA chapter. I'm trying to encourage them to do good things and not do bad things, within the ambit
of what is realistic for them to do and not do. </span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">I encouraged them to co-sponsor the anti-ICE demo on the basis of a specific agreement about what would and wouldn't happen in the demo rather than have a blanket policy of not participating
in a demo co-sponsored by SJP. A number of people were open to that, and I actually thought that position might win out. Then I found out that they had decided not to participate, following some conversations that I didn't see that I think involved national
BtA staff. So I don't completely know what happened with that. </span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">I don't endorse the politics of many of their members. But I'm against bashing them as a group for stuff that is outside their remit as a group, as they understand it. Indeed, I've been encouraging
them to stay out of Israel politics, consistent with the national BtA line, because I know that if they got involved in Israel politics their positions would be bad. If you want to attack Jewish communal institutions that actively support Israeli government
violations of Palestinian human rights, that's a target-rich environment, there's a very long list. I don't see what the utility for Palestinians of bashing BtA is. Perhaps it serves some other objective. But picking on BtA isn't going to stop a single Palestinian
house from being knocked down. </span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">If you think you know more about this than I do, bring it on. You don't, and I've got all day, and the next day, and the day after that. </span></div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Because Bend the Arc, backed out of working with socialist/ Marxist groups on the rally opposing ICE we had at the Drury Inn, on the 23rd, we had over 300 people. They feared mention of “Palestine" might come up.
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<div class="">That may not bother you Bob, but you didn’t back out of co-sponsoring Medea’s presence here even though association with socialists took place. You looked at the “bigger picture”, rather than petti politics.</div>
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<div class="">Yes, BTA did do their own rally on the 30th, though it would have been better had we been united. </div>
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<div class="">Also, these good things people do for their communities, and immigrants, isn’t a real solution. </div>
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<div class="">A real solution would be to stop creating the immigrants, who should be referred to as “refugees,” because that is what they are, refugees fleeing US wars and interventions, sanctions, NAFTA and crime. </div>
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<div class="">Attempts to keep the American people ignorant of the connection between foreign policy and domestic, supports and continues the killings and destruction.</div>
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<div class="">BtA was explicitly set up to be an organization that works only on U.S. domestic justice issues, not U.S. foreign policy, including not Israel. It's foundational, it's constitutional, that's what they were set up to do and not do. There is zero
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<div class="">From what I know of the local chapter here, if they took positions on U.S. foreign policy, their positions would be horrible, certainly no better than those of the Jewish Federation. </div>
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<div class="">On the other hand, they're very good on opposing anti-Muslim prejudice and anti-refugee prejudice, which are also things that need to be done. I also understand that some of them are working to try to get the Champaign ordinance allowing landlords
to discriminate against ex-prisoners repealed, which is another thing that needs to be done. And which project, I understand, could use some help right now from people who live in Champaign. </div>
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<div class="">So, why not let them work on the things that they're good on, instead of picking on them and trying to bully them for not working on issues that they would be bad on, which there is zero possibility that they're going to do in any event? </div>
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