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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;line-break:after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes Carl, I realize that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After I wrote my reply, I thought maybe Wayne misunderstood what I meant in regards to “ the sound familiar “ statement I made. I meant in regards to other governments like the UK , France and the U.S. who have done actions opposed by a large percentage of their citizens, like the German government did in recent years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> David Johnson<br><b>Cc:</b> Peace Discuss<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think it’s a wry joke on ‘Lebensraum.’<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:46 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Excuse me ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What is that supposed to mean Wayne ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am talking about the realities of 2018, NOT the history of the 1930’s / 1940’s.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Peace-discuss [<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net">mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>ewj via Peace-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:42 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>David Johnson via Peace-discuss<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Brussel, Morton K'; 'Peace Discuss'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Peace-discuss] Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>not to worry.<br>germans just need room to live.<br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 2018-07-14 20:26 ,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net"><span style='color:purple'>David Johnson via Peace-discuss</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wrote:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>German troops are also in Turkey on the Syrian border.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The stationing of German troops in war zones outside of Germany is a violation of the post war constitution and is opposed by the vast majority of the German public, but the neo-liberal government did it anyway.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sound familiar ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Peace-discuss [<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net">mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Estabrook, Carl G via Peace-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friday, July 13, 2018 10:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Brussel, Morton K; Peace Discuss<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Peace-discuss] Trump versus NATO is a false narrative…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>But Nato troops (Germans) are aiding US killing in Afghanistan - myrmidons for the empire... </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><div id=divRpF852080><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Peace-discuss [<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>] on behalf of Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss [<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Friday, July 13, 2018 10:27 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Peace Discuss<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Peace-discuss] Trump versus NATO is a false narrative…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Insightful article about Trump and NATO:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.salon.com_2018_07_11_trump-2Dversus-2Dnato-2Dnot-2Dso-2Dfast-5Fpartner_&d=DwMGaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=4p_1umaGy6GSn3GnAtc6qB-u5jRD_xNUZTMjXBfCFOY&m=QzchHA6_7I3wNGjysOEAducFW20KG2hixzsJZEugoLA&s=rBw6yCcqlO4QMPwsd8o9TXl8JpCyQjr9abb-hyDXpXE&e=" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://www.salon.com/2018/07/11/trump-versus-nato-not-so-fast_partner/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A response to the assumed threats is that NATO-Trump apologists cite: No one is attacking, or is a threat to the NATO countries, but some states may forestall, or resist, the hegemony, economic, political, and military, that the U.S. demands. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>—mkb<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>