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<div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div dir="auto">It would be so great to see every pundit attempt to write a column without using any of the usual "ism" words or Left, Right, neo-, conservative, Republican, Democrat, Green, or identity politics descriptions. What a challenge for them- bereft of their easy verbal holes to hide in, they might need to think on the ground of plain truth. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="LGEmailSignatureBox" dir="auto"><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"=""><i>Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</i></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">------ Original message------</div><div dir="auto"><b>From: </b>Estabrook, Carl G via Peace-discuss<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net></div><div dir="auto"><b>Date: </b>Sat, Jul 14, 2018 9:43 AM</div><div dir="auto"><b>To: </b>David Johnson;'C G Estabrook';</div><div d
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<div style="font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt;">Throughout the capitalist world, it's no longer a matter of Left versus Right, but of popular opposition to corporate globalism - neoliberalism and neoconservatism.<br>
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<b>To:</b> 'C G Estabrook'<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Yes Carl, I realize that.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">After I wrote my reply, I thought maybe Wayne misunderstood what I meant in regards to “ the sound familiar “ statement I made. I meant in regards to other
governments like the UK , France and the U.S. who have done actions opposed by a large percentage of their citizens, like the German government did in recent years.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> C G Estabrook [mailto<a href="mailto::cgestabrook@gmail.com">:cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Johnson<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peace Discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it’s a wry joke on ‘Lebensraum.’</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:46 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Excuse me ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">What is that supposed to mean Wayne ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I am talking about the realities of 2018, NOT the history of the 1930’s / 1940’s.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Peace-discuss
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, July 14, 2018 7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>David Johnson via Peace-discuss<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'Brussel, Morton K'; 'Peace Discuss'<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Peace-discuss] Trump versus NATO is a false narrative.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">not to worry.<br>
germans just need room to live.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On <a href="tel:2018-07-14 20">2018-07-14 20</a>:26 ,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span style="color:purple">David Johnson via Peace-discuss</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wrote:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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public, but the neo-liberal government did it anyway.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Peace-discuss
[<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Estabrook,
Carl G via Peace-discuss<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, July 13, 2018 10:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Brussel, Morton K; Peace Discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Peace-discuss] Trump versus NATO is a false narrative…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">But Nato troops (Germans) are aiding US killing in Afghanistan - myrmidons for the empire... </span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, July 13, 2018 10:27 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Insightful article about Trump and NATO:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.salon.com_2018_07_11_trump-2Dversus-2Dnato-2Dnot-2Dso-2Dfast-5Fpartner_&d=DwMGaQ&c=OCIEmEwdEq_aNlsP4fF3gFqSN-E3mlr2t9JcDdfOZag&r=4p_1umaGy6GSn3GnAtc6qB-u5jRD_xNUZTMjXBfCFOY&m=QzchHA6_7I3wNGjysOEAducFW20KG2hixzsJZEugoLA&s=rBw6yCcqlO4QMPwsd8o9TXl8JpCyQjr9abb-hyDXpXE&e=" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span style="color:purple"><a href="https://www.salon.com/2018/07/11/trump-versus-nato-not-so-fast_partner/">https://www.salon.com/2018/07/11/trump-versus-nato-not-so-fast_partner/</a></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A response to the assumed threats is that NATO-Trump apologists cite: No one is attacking, or is a threat to the NATO countries, but some states may forestall, or resist, the hegemony, economic, political, and military, that the U.S. demands. </p>
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