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You'd raised the question a few months ago, Which party would be
least likely to push for war?<br>
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My broad answer: I think we're best off at times when the political
system is deadlocked. Remember 2013, when the Obama admin. was all
set to attack Syria directly, and backed off when they realized that
Congress wouldn't go for it - especially the Republicans who would
oppose anything O. supported. <br>
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So by that logic, we don't want a House, Senate, and Pres of all the
same party. We're stuck with this Pres for at least a couple more
years.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/19/2018 06:39 PM, C G Estabrook
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This raises the question, which party given control of Congress in
the fall elections will be more progressive?
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<div class="">For generations US liberals have answered
immediately, “The Democrats!," In spite of wars and accelerating
inequality under Democratic administrations. (No president has
been at war throughout two terms - until Obama.)</div>
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<div class="">But given the Russia-gate campaign, and the
excoriation of President Trump’s peace talks with North Korea
and Russia, it seems clear that Democrats' commitment to the
‘war party” disqualifies them from control of the Congress. </div>
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<div class="">Some people (often outside the US political scene)
saw this clearly from early on. The Australian journalist and
filmmaker John Pilger wrote before the 2016 election, "The CIA
has demanded Trump not be elected. Pentagon generals have
demanded he not be elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking
a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands
that he not be elected. Something is up. These tribunes of
'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar
business of war by which the United States maintains its
dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Russian
president Putin, then with China’s president Xi Jinping. Their
panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking
peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the
issues not so dire…”</div>
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<div class="">The war-mongering of the Democrats may require our
voting for feckless Republicans, as in this Congressional
district (IL-13). That seems to be - deplorably enough - the
only anti-war position. —CGE<br class="">
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<div class="">On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:50 AM, David Johnson
via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"
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class="">Very well said Karen.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">I can only add to your list – The
Russians aren’t preventing the American people
from having ; universal PUBLIC healthcare, free
post high school education, $ 15 minimum wage,
clean renewable energy, public control of our
water systems and utilities as well as secure
retirement pensions. The ones preventing all of
the above are the Democrats and the Republicans as
you so accurately said.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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Those evil Russians<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color:
rgb(29, 33, 41);" class="">Vince Emanuele:<o:p
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4.5pt;
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2;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
color: rgb(29, 33, 41);" class="">The Russians
didn't gut, attack and destroy unions in the U.S.
The Russians aren't responsible for NAFTA, TPP,
GATT, outsourcing, corporate welfare, etc. The
Russians didn't deregulate the financial industry,
allowing Wall Street to destroy our economy and
create unprecedented wealth/income inequality. The
Russians aren't killing young black kids in the
streets. The Russians didn't militarize the
police. The Russians didn't create the War on
Drugs. The Russians didn't create the
School-to-Prison pipeline. The Russians aren't
responsible for slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, or
the Prison Industrial Complex. The Russians didn't
invade Iraq and Afghanistan, spending $3.6
trillion. The Russians didn't poison kids in Flint
or East Chicago. The Russians didn't divest in our
nation's infrastructure.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4.5pt;
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Roman", serif; background-color: white;
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2;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
color: rgb(29, 33, 41);" class="">The Russians
didn't nominate Hillary Clinton, the second most
loathed politician in modern history. The Russians
didn't subsidize the U.S. fossil fuel industry,
allowing the most destructive industries on the
planet to kill the living world with no
consequences. The Russians didn't destroy the
public school system in the U.S., allowing charter
schools to privatize public goods. The Russians
didn't create our homeless population or shut down
our mental health facilities. The Russians didn't
enact the Patriot Act, stripping our civil
liberties and creating institutions like ICE. The
Russians didn't create our immigration crisis, nor
are they responsible for putting kids in cages
throughout the U.S.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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Roman", serif; background-color: white;
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2;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
color: rgb(29, 33, 41);" class="">The Russians
didn't clear cut old growth forests in the Pacific
Northwest, nor did they dam our rivers and kill
the salmon. The Russians didn't strip American
women of their reproductive rights, or allow the
NRA to control our legislative bodies. The
Russians didn't allow media corporations to
consolidate into five companies that control
everything we see, read, or hear. The Russians
didn't overthrow democratically elected
governments throughout the Western Hemisphere. The
Russians didn't allow the pharmaceutical industry
to create a nation of addicts. And the Russians
aren't allowing U.S. veterans to die by the
thousands waiting for treatment.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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color: rgb(29, 33, 41);" class="">You must be
thinking of the Democrats and Republicans....<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
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