<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">How would you describe your politics?<br class=""><div><br class=""></div><div>I say I’m a left-wing socialist (i.e, a sympahetic critic [from the left, not the right] of Marxism-Leninism, an anti-vanguardist), a Chomskyan anarchist. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>But that tends to start a discussion, not end it. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Her’s an attempt I made to explain that, long ago, in connection with a favorite topic of yours:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/17/abortion-and-the-left/" class="">https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/17/abortion-and-the-left/</a> </div><div><br class=""></div><div>—CGE</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:13 AM, <a href="mailto:bjornsona@ameritech.net" class="">bjornsona@ameritech.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I never said I was I liberal </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="LGEmailSignatureBox" dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"="" class=""><i class="">Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</i></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">------ Original message------</div><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">From: </b>C G Estabrook<cgestabrook@gmail.com class=""></cgestabrook@gmail.com></div><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Date: </b>Mon, Jul 30, 2018 9:05 AM</div><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">To: </b>Stuart Levy;</div><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b>E. Wayne Johnson<a href="mailto:;bjornsona@ameritech.net" class="">;bjornsona@ameritech.net</a>;C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;kmedina67;</div><div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>Re: [Peace-discuss] moderator help</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div>My argument is that the same concerns that lead us to condemn US killing in the Mideast for the profits of the 1% should animate our opposition to the killing of the unborn because the 1% are "concerned about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To suppress such a discussion on an anti-war reading list is remarkably illiberal. —CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Lots of right arguments go unheard, and many wrong ones flourish, or
else why would the US still be supporting the bombardment of Yemen?<br class="">
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Look, I signed up for AWARE as an anti-war group. I go with David
and Ann and Karen to work the farmer's market twice a month, and to
the monthly demonstrations, to express and work for opposition to US
participation in wars around the world. I've done that and other
things for many years, as many of you know who have been doing it
beside me.<br class="">
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I'm here on this list and others for discussion of opposition to war
and what we can do about it.<br class="">
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I didn't sign up to AWARE, and neither did the several people who
joined this list just last weekend, to join an anti-abortion
(and-oh-by-the-way-never-mind-what-happens-to-the-mothers) group.<br class="">
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Anyone here who wishes to start or join such a group, run a market
presence, hold demonstrations, carry on discussions, is welcome
to. But not on this list, please.<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/30/2018 09:38 AM, E. Wayne
Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:<br class="">
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your argument should be sufficient<br class="">
to squelch those who oppose your ideas, and you ought not need
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a higher (Levitical) authority for narrowing of the limits of
debate.<br class="">
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And when you are wrong, to admit the fault, delete the offending
code, and reboot.<br class="">
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bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote:<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Dear Moderator :) What is the agreement for
what people are allowed to publish here? I hate to lose
subscribers because we go off topic. (Guilty, I know). </div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Date: </b>Sun, Jul 29, 2018 8:57 AM</div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">To: </b>kmedina67;</div>
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>Re: [Peace-discuss] Stop
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"Until the conditions for Americans in the world (beset by
terrorists) change, access to safe drone assassinations needs
to be an option, if you value the life of Americans.
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"If you don't value the life of Americans, then criminalize
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<div class="">Until the conditions for women change,
access to safe abortion needs to be an option, if
you value the life of the woman. </div>
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<div class="">If you don't value the life of the
woman, then criminalize her. </div>
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you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain</div>
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