<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.333333015441895px;" class="">"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." - F. Scott Fitzgerald </span><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class="">By Fitzgerald’s description, who has a first-rate intelligence, you or me? I think it’s the former.</font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class="">Are anti-war and anti-abortion ideas contradictory or congruent? I think it’s the latter.</font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class="">—CGE</font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><br class=""></font><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:26 PM, Brussel, Morton K <<a href="mailto:brussel@illinois.edu" class="">brussel@illinois.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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I feel sorry for those remaining in AWARE to have to contend with Carl and (the remote) ewJ for their anti-women’s-choice absurd ratiocinations. Carl should consult Noam Chomsky, his intellectual guide, on this issue. In any case, it would seem advisable to
see the antiracism, antiwar part of AWARE protected from the anti-abortion toxic injections of Carl.
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My argument is that the same concerns that lead us to condemn US killing in the Mideast for the profits of the 1% shou ld animate our opposition to the killing of the unborn because the 1% are "concerned about population growth and particularly growth in populations
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<div class="">To suppress such a discussion on an anti-war reading list is remarkably illiberal. —CGE</div>
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<div class="">On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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Look, I signed up for AWARE as an anti-war group. I go with David and Ann and Karen to work the farmer's market twice a month, and to the monthly demonstrations, to express and work for opposition to US participation in wars around the world. I've done
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I'm here on this list and others for discussion of opposition to war and what we can do about it.<br class="">
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I didn't sign up to AWARE, and neither did the several people who joined this list just last weekend, to join an anti-abortion (and-oh-by-the-way-never-mind-what-happens-to-the-mothers) group.<br class="">
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Anyone here who wishes to start or join such a group, run a market presence, hold demonstrations, carry on discussions, is welcome to. But not on this list, please.<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Date: </b>Sun, Jul 29, 2018 8:57 AM</div>
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"Until the conditions for Americans in the world (beset by terrorists) change, access to safe drone assassinations needs to be an option, if you value the life of Americans.
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