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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I like your definition of your politics Karen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would describe mine similarly as ; I support, educate, and fight for whatever eliminates the sufferings of the poor / Working class while at the same time empowers the poor / Working class.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can further add that I am ; anti-capitalist, anti-racist / misogynous, anti-authoritarian, and anti- war / empire.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David Johnson <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>kmedina67 via Peace-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 30, 2018 11:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peace-discuss List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] moderator help<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I describe my politics:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I identify with the poor. Consider them my community. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'>- Karen Medina<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'>"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>How would you describe your politics?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I say I’m a left-wing socialist (i.e, a sympahetic critic [from the left, not the right] of Marxism-Leninism, an anti-vanguardist), a Chomskyan anarchist. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But that tends to start a discussion, not end it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Her’s an attempt I made to explain that, long ago, in connection with a favorite topic of yours:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/17/abortion-and-the-left/">https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/17/abortion-and-the-left/</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>—CGE<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:13 AM, <a href="mailto:bjornsona@ameritech.net">bjornsona@ameritech.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='margin-bottom:33.75pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I never said I was I liberal <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=LGEmailSignatureBox><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div id=LGEmailHeader><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>------ Original message------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>C G Estabrook<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mon, Jul 30, 2018 9:05 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Stuart Levy;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>E. Wayne Johnson<a href="mailto:;bjornsona@ameritech.net">;bjornsona@ameritech.net</a>;C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss;kmedina67;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Re: [Peace-discuss] moderator help<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My argument is that the same concerns that lead us to condemn US killing in the Mideast for the profits of the 1% should animate our opposition to the killing of the unborn because the 1% are "concerned about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To suppress such a discussion on an anti-war reading list is remarkably illiberal. —CGE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Lots of right arguments go unheard, and many wrong ones flourish, or else why would the US still be supporting the bombardment of Yemen?<br><br>Look, I signed up for AWARE as an anti-war group. I go with David and Ann and Karen to work the farmer's market twice a month, and to the monthly demonstrations, to express and work for opposition to US participation in wars around the world. I've done that and other things for many years, as many of you know who have been doing it beside me.<br><br>I'm here on this list and others for discussion of opposition to war and what we can do about it.<br><br>I didn't sign up to AWARE, and neither did the several people who joined this list just last weekend, to join an anti-abortion (and-oh-by-the-way-never-mind-what-happens-to-the-mothers) group.<br><br>Anyone here who wishes to start or join such a group, run a market presence, hold demonstrations, carry on discussions, is welcome to. But not on this list, please.<br><br> Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On 07/30/2018 09:38 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you are right, then the power of your argument should be sufficient<br>to squelch those who oppose your ideas, and you ought not need to appeal to <br>a higher (Levitical) authority for narrowing of the limits of debate.<br><br>And when you are wrong, to admit the fault, delete the offending code, and reboot.<br><br>bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dear Moderator :) What is the agreement for what people are allowed to publish here? I hate to lose subscribers because we go off topic. (Guilty, I know). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=LGEmailSignatureBox><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div id=LGEmailHeader><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>------ Original message------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sun, Jul 29, 2018 8:57 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>kmedina67;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Peace-discuss;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Re: [Peace-discuss] Stop dividing AntiWar<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>A paraphrase:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Until the conditions for Americans in the world (beset by terrorists) change, access to safe drone assassinations needs to be an option, if you value the life of Americans. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br>"If you don't value the life of Americans, then criminalize them." <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:59 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Until the conditions for women change, access to safe abortion needs to be an option, if you value the life of the woman. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If you don't value the life of the woman, then criminalize her. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;color:#575757'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#575757'>- Karen Medina<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#575757'>"The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great" - Mark Twain<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#575757'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Peace-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Peace-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>