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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am not very impressed with the
      Democrats.  They dont believe in the Bill of Rights or freedom of
      expression.<br>
      They dont really care about stopping war or stopping the waste of
      money and human lives it represents.<br>
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      I really see the Democrat party as a bigger threat to the world
      than is the KKK.  <br>
      I dont suppose that left to themselves, the KKK could have much of
      an impact.<br>
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      The Democrat party is pretty much the publicity arm of the KKK.<br>
      If not for the Dems, no one much would give a ripe red one about
      what <br>
      the KKK is doing.  <br>
      <br>
      White supremacy and neo-nazis are not really all that cool and <br>
      it doesnt seem that ya gotta have a cow about them to get people
      to <br>
      not sucked in by their alluring indoctrinations.<br>
      <br>
      I'd say it's those same folks who are trying to tell us that the <br>
      Russians hacked the election who are also having a conniption fit
      about<br>
      Nazis in America.  Not many people are going to buy into the
      notion<br>
      that Schickelgruber was actually a really nice guy, just poorly
      understood.<br>
      It is certain that Americans "aint too swuft" but Nazis
      threatening America?<br>
      <br>
      I'd be a lot more worried about things like tetanus and crab
      grass.<br>
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      <br>
      Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote:<br>
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      <div class="">The Nixon Administration ended the draft in 1973,
        only two weeks after the largest demonstration ever, the Counter
        Inaugural. Kissinger alluded to that in his memoirs. </div>
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      <div class="">As to Nixon being re-elected because “Peace is at
        Hand” statements by the Republican Administration, you’ve got to
        be kidding. After four years of Nixon, with the bombing of
        Cambodia, the American people weren’t so stupid as to believe
        anything the government said at that time. The problem was, many
        did think by the end of “72” that the war had been wound down,
        at least it wasn’t escalated, and all the talk about Paris Peace
        talks, provided the illusion that it was no longer an issue. </div>
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      <div class="">When people have given up hope, they stay home and
        don’t vote. </div>
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      <div class="">Again, as an organizer and supporter for McGovern I
        saw people giving up. It’s similar to what happened after four
        years of GW Bush, people just gave up.</div>
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            <div class="">On Aug 13, 2018, at 06:36, <a
                href="mailto:bjornsona@ameritech.net" class=""
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                bjornsona@ameritech.net</a> wrote:</div>
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                  <div dir="auto" class="">Appropo some Americans only
                    protest war when it hits them in the draft or their
                    pocketbook: We were in what is billed as the "3rd
                    largest Whole Foods" in the world in Lincoln Park,
                    just off 94 & North Ave. yesterday. Apparently, 
                    #1 is Austin, TX and #2 is in London, Eng. At least
                    that is what the cashier said. Complete with a
                    locker wall interface to Amazon so that people can
                    have their Amazon purchases delivered to Whole Foods
                    and pick them up when shopping. </div>
                  <div dir="auto" class="">It rather did feel like being
                    at the center of an Empire. </div>
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                        4G LTE smartphone</i></div>
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                    <div dir="auto" class="">------ Original
                      message------</div>
                    <div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">From: </b>C G
                      Estabrook via Peace-discuss<peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net
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                    <div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Date: </b>Mon,
                      Aug 13, 2018 7:40 AM</div>
                    <div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">To: </b>Karen
                      Aram;</div>
                    <div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b>peace;Peace
                      Discuss;</div>
                    <div dir="auto" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b>Re:
                      [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-Fascist Demonstration
                      in DC Yesterday</div>
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                  The Nixon administration ended the draft in 1973
                  because of the revolt of the US expeditionary force in
                  Vietnam. Conscript soldiers were no longer reliable.
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                  <div class="">By 1969 about 70% of the public had come
                    to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and
                    immoral,” not “a mistake,” largely as a result of
                    the impact of student protest on general
                    consciousness. </div>
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                  <div class="">US business had by 1968 told President
                    Johnson that the costs of the war were too high and
                    it needed too be liquidated. He effectively
                    resigned.</div>
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                  <div class="">Richard Nixon was the peace candidate in
                    1968: he had a 'secret plan’ for ending the war. He
                    was re-elected in 1972 because his Secretary of
                    State announced, “Peace is at hand.”</div>
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                  <div class="">Ending US wars in SW Asia today will not
                    be so easy as ending wars in SE Asia (which the US
                    essentially won) was then. Nor will it probably
                    follow a similar pattern.</div>
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                  <div class="">And it’s unlikely it will be done by
                    taking up the Democrats’ disingenuous cry that the
                    elected president is a fascist (and a Russian
                    puppet!) - and not mentioning the wars and war
                    provocations, except incidentally, as this rally
                    did.</div>
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                  <div class="">The situation is closer to the
                    mid-1960s, when an anti-war movement had to be built
                    from scratch, and the Democrats were screaming,
                    “...Let every nation know ... that we shall pay any
                    price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support
                    any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival
                    and the success of liberty”!     </div>
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                  <div class="">Liberty for whom is clearer now. —CGE</div>
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                            <div class="">On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:55 AM,
                              Karen Aram <<a
                                href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com"
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                                    <div class="">Sorry Carl, your focus
                                      on only one issue is detrimental
                                      to building a movement. 
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                                      That is what this is all about.
                                      ANSWER more than any organization
                                      in the US is focused on war and
                                      foreign policy, but as most
                                      Americans really don’t care about
                                      war, afterall “we’re not killing
                                      Americans like us” and you can
                                      argue that point all you want but
                                      the fact is: </div>
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                                    <div class="">1) The largest
                                      protests against war in the US pre
                                      intervention of Iraq, was really
                                      opposing Bush policy’s and was
                                      organized by the Democrats.
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                                    <div class="">2) The protests
                                      against just about everything the
                                      past two years is about Trump, and
                                      organized by the Democrats.
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                                    <div class="">3) The protests in the
                                      70’s died when Nixon dropped the
                                      draft. I was there, I was with the
                                      organizers who managed the largest
                                      ever protest during that time, the
                                      Counter Inaugeral, and that is
                                      precisely why Nixon eliminated the
                                      draft, after that it was extremely
                                      difficult to get the numbers. </div>
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                                    <div class="">4) Only the “Costs of
                                      war” are going to bring people out
                                      into the streets enmass in D.C.
                                      because of the impact on
                                      individual lives.
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                                    <div class="">5) Organizing against
                                      the many horrific policies being
                                      promoted by the current USG due to
                                      our system of capitalism which is
                                      the cause of all, including war,
                                      takes strategy and tactics to
                                      educate, organize, and coordinate.
                                      It means working with others on
                                      issues of concern. Just talking
                                      about it in a venue that suits us,
                                      isn’t getting us anywhere.</div>
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                                    <div class="">On Aug 13, 2018, at
                                      04:39, C G Estabrook <<a
                                        href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com"
                                        class="" moz-do-not-send="true">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>>
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                                        But they were not chanting, “No
                                        war! Bring the troops home!”
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                                        <div class="">It’s a
                                          distraction. Fascism is not
                                          the problem. US war-making is.</div>
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                                              <div class="">On Aug 13,
                                                2018, at 6:34 AM, Karen
                                                Aram via Peace <<a
                                                  href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net"
                                                  class=""
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>>
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                                                          was an amazing
                                                          demonstration
                                                          of strength
                                                          and unity. By
                                                          4pm there were
                                                          more than
                                                          15,000 people
                                                          in Lafayette
                                                          Park chanting,
                                                          “No Nazis, No
                                                          KKK, No
                                                          Fascist USA”.</p>
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                                                          style="margin-bottom:
                                                          1em;" class="">It
                                                          was a
                                                          remarkable
                                                          demonstration
                                                          of unity from
                                                          so many
                                                          communities:
                                                          Black, Latino,
                                                          Asian, Arab,
                                                          white people,
                                                          young and old.
                                                          All stood
                                                          together to
                                                          condemn the
                                                          Nazis and KKK
                                                          who thought
                                                          they could
                                                          come and rally
                                                          in front of
                                                          the White
                                                          House, because
                                                          they believe
                                                          they have a
                                                          dear friend
                                                          who occupies
                                                          that
                                                          residence. It
                                                          was shameful
                                                          that the U.S.
                                                          government and
                                                          police spent
                                                          millions of
                                                          tax dollars to
                                                          act as a
                                                          private
                                                          security
                                                          escort for a
                                                          handful of
                                                          fascists. The
                                                          police
                                                          escorted them
                                                          on the metro
                                                          and provided
                                                          police vans to
                                                          take them from
                                                          the
                                                          Washington,
                                                          D.C. area back
                                                          to Virginia. </p>
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                                                          will give a
                                                          more detailed
                                                          report of what
                                                          happened in
                                                          the coming
                                                          days, but we
                                                          wanted to give
                                                          a shout out
                                                          tonight and a
                                                          huge thank you
                                                          to everyone
                                                          who supported
                                                          this effort.
                                                          Thousands of
                                                          people
                                                          volunteered,
                                                          mobilized, or
                                                          donated to
                                                          make this
                                                          success
                                                          possible.
                                                          Everyone
                                                          should feel
                                                          very proud.
                                                          Most
                                                          importantly,
                                                          we laid the
                                                          basis for
                                                          taking next
                                                          steps in
                                                          making this
                                                          new movement
                                                          even
                                                          stronger. <br
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                                                          In
                                                          solidarity, <br
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                                                          All of us at
                                                          ANSWER
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