<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The Clintons are hated (appropriately) because they represent the triumph of neoconservative and neoliberal policies ( = more war and more inequality), 40 years in the making, from the Carter administration on.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Scales fell from eyes as it became clear to many Americans that Obama’s “hope and change” was malarkey, and the one percent was using the 2008 financial crisis to confiscate the life chances of the majority. Obama was their agent.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">That’s the ‘MAGA’ appeal - restore the possibilities that seemed to be open to this generation's parents, and are not open to them. A justified politics of resentment - populism - animated both the Sanders and Trump campaigns.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It will only grow. —CGE</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 14, 2018, at 11:41 AM, E. Wayne Johnson via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">David Green via Peace-discuss wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAOiGAyEfoF878g4BH7m_+kLRzYQ632UxQS5uEM7nJf4kriPEzA@mail.gmail.com" class=""><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px
15px;list-style-type:none;word-wrap:break-word" class="">Americans today
are deeply divided. There exists no greater symbol of that
division than Trump himself — the wild enthusiasm he generates
in some quarters and the antipathy verging on hatred he elicits
in others.</p><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px
15px;list-style-type:none;word-wrap:break-word" class="">The urgent need
of the day is to close that divide, which is as broad as it is
deep, touching on culture, the political economy, America’s role
in the world, and the definition of the common good</p>
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I didnt vote for Trump but I intend to next time around because some
pundit said that NATO could not survive another 4 years of Trump.<br class="">
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Bacevich is saying, "Be reasonable and see it my way."<br class="">
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A large number of people who voted for Trump in 2016 did so because
they despise the Clintons, and hate Hillary Clinton in particular,<br class="">
not because they shared a strong common ideology with Donald Trump
the tycoon. You can use whatever symbolism you like<br class="">
to stand for that division between Clinton voters and Clinton haters
but it wasn't the Russians who brought people out<br class="">
of the hills and hollows of rural america and the cul-de-sacs of
suburbia to say "no, and I mean, No Hell No!" to Hillary Clinton and
her ilk.<br class="">
The antipathy for the Clintons does not "verge on hatred". It is
absolute and utter hatred of the Clintons and what they stand for<br class="">
and more intense hatred of Hillary in particular. There ain't no
changing it.<br class="">
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The problem is with the way that people perceive the world.<br class="">
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Be reasonable, and see it my way, and we will have unity.<br class="">
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