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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;line-break:after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We will be seeing a lot more bullshit articles like this one in the coming months. The corporate interests are frightened as well as their bought and paid for politicians.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Kaiser foundation is notoriously anti- single payer. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The results of polls depend a LOT on ; sample size, sample composition, and the manner in which the polling questions are asked.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Accurate polls with straight forward questions about support for single payer conducted several months ago by Gallup showed 70 % + support for single payer in the general public, which when party affiliation was asked, this included 52 % support from self-identified Republican voters.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The examples they give about Vermont and Colorado are also deceptive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Colorado’s proposal was NOT a single payer system, it was a Obamacare hybrid with more public tax money committed to paying for the healthcare needs of the Working poor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Vermont was TOTALLY a different circumstance in that the newly elected Democratic Governor at the time promised to implement the single payer system ( Green Mountain Care ) APPROVED by the voters 6 months prior. Instead he worked with the Obama administration and Blue cross blue shield to sabotage the plan. The Obama admin stated they would refuse to release federal Medicare / Medicaid funds for Vermont and would refuse ERISA approval..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This Associated Press article is typical of the lies and deception practiced on a regular basis by the corporate owned media.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As I said, there will be a lot of such stories hitting us within the next several months. Glen Greenwald at the INTERCEPT wrote an article about this last month, in which he obtained internal documents from the Center for American Progress showing a coordinated plan by corporate Democrats and the Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical industry for an all-out PR offensive against Single Payer beginning in early 2019.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As Martin Luther King said ; “ At first they try to ignore you, then they try to ridicule you, then they try slander and threats including violence, then when they don’t succeed you win.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Peace-discuss<br><b>Cc:</b> Bill Strutz<br><b>Subject:</b> [Peace-discuss] WSJ: How do Americans feel about ‘Medicare-for-all’? This poll tells us - MarketWatch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/poll-finds-medicare-for-all-support-drops-when-details-are-included-2019-01-23">https://www.marketwatch.com/story/poll-finds-medicare-for-all-support-drops-when-details-are-included-2019-01-23</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;color:inherit;padding:inherit;margin:inherit'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=article><div><h1 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-line-height-alt:14.55pt'><span style='font-size:28.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>How do Americans feel about ‘Medicare-for-all’? This poll tells us<o:p></o:p></span></h1><div style='margin-bottom:17.4pt;max-width: 100%'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><a href="//www.marketwatch.com/topics/columns/associated-press"><span style='color:#416ED2'>Associated Press</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><img border=0 width=640 height=360 id="_x0039_0FD2A5A-DDAE-468F-A66A-5DFE5FC3DD29" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D4B3ED.36C49160"><cite><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Getty Images</span></cite> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans like the idea of “Medicare-for-all,” but support flips to disapproval if it would result in higher taxes or longer waits for care.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>That’s a key insight from a national poll released Wednesday by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. It comes as Democratic presidential hopefuls embrace the idea of a government-run health care system, considered outside the mainstream of their party until Vermont independent Sen. Bernie Sanders made it the cornerstone of his 2016 campaign. President Donald Trump is opposed, saying “Medicare-for-all” would “eviscerate” the current program for seniors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>The poll found that Americans initially support “Medicare-for-all,” 56 percent to 42 percent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>However, those numbers shifted dramatically when people were asked about the potential impact, pro and con.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.</span><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>“The issue that will really be fundamental would be the tax issue,” said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health who reviewed the poll. He pointed out that state single-payer efforts in Vermont and Colorado failed because of concerns about the tax increases needed to put them in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>There doesn’t seem to be much disagreement that a single-payer system would require tax increases, since the government would take over premiums now paid by employers and individuals as it replaces the private health insurance industry. The question is how much.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Several independent studies have estimated that government spending on health care would increase dramatically, in the range of about $25 trillion to $35 trillion or more over a 10-year period. But a recent estimate from the Political Economy Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst suggests that it could be much lower. With significant cost savings, the government would need to raise about $1.1 trillion from new revenue sources in the first year of the new program.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth, D-Ky., has asked the Congressional Budget Office for a comprehensive report on single-payer. The CBO is a nonpartisan outfit that analyzes the potential cost and impact of legislation. Its estimate that millions would be made uninsured by Republican bills to repeal the Affordable Care Act was key to the survival of President Barack Obama’s health care law.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Mollyann Brodie, director of the Kaiser poll, said the big swings in approval and disapproval show that the debate over “Medicare-for-all” is in its infancy. “You immediately see that opinion is not set in stone on this issue,” she said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Indeed, the poll found that many people are still unaware of some of the basic implications of a national health plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>For example, most working-age people currently covered by an employer (55 percent) said they would be able to keep their current plan under a government-run system, while 37 percent correctly answered that they would not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>There’s one exception: Under a “Medicare-for-all” idea from the Center for American Progress employers and individuals would have the choice of joining the government plan, although it wouldn’t be required. Sanders’ bill would forbid employers from offering coverage that duplicates benefits under the new government plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>“Medicare-for-all” is a key issue energizing the Democratic base ahead of the 2020 presidential election, but Republicans are solidly opposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>“Any public debate about ‘Medicare-for-all’ will be a divisive issue for the country at large,” Brodie said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>The poll indicated widespread support for two other ideas advanced by Democrats as alternatives to a health care system fully run by the government.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Majorities across the political spectrum backed allowing people ages 50-64 to buy into Medicare, as well as allowing people who don’t have health insurance on the job to buy into their state’s Medicaid program.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Separately, another private survey out Wednesday finds the uninsured rate among U.S. adults rose to 13.7 percent in the last three months of 2018. The Gallup National Health and Well-Being Index found an increase of 2.8 percentage points since 2016, the year Trump was elected promising to repeal “Obamacare.” That would translate to about 7 million more uninsured adults.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Government surveys have found that the uninsured rate has remained essentially stable under Trump.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:18.0pt;max-width: 100%'><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>The Kaiser Health Tracking Poll was conducted Jan. 9-14 and involved random calls to the cellphones and landlines of 1,190 adults. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 3 percentage points.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>