<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
</head>
<body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">
<div class="">Carl</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class=""><font color="#000000" class="">I am an avid fan of NFN, finding it interesting and informative. I also agree with most of what you say below, and suggest you focus on it as much as possible, as opposed to defending Trump. However, I
do believe there is a substantial difference in what you say, from that of Noam Chomsky, who clearly never saw Trump as anything but a disaster, primarily in respect to climate change, favoring Clinton over Trump. Aaron Mate is not a fan of Trump but as a
journalist has made it a mission to unveil russiagate for the lie it is, as much as to halt the vilification of Russia, as to defend Trump. </font></blockquote>
</div>
<div class="">I disagree as to what got Trump elected, I don’t believe as many liberals do, that it was due primarily to racism, on the part of his base, but I believe that for the many disenfranchised across the rust belt, he was a counter to the Democrat
Party who did nothing to alleviate their suffering due to loss of jobs, low wages, high cost of healthcare and education, and the expanding inequality within our nation. The majority of people supported Bernie Sanders, and were so disaffected by the DNC betrayal,
they refused to vote for Clinton. Very few, other than a few Republicans took him seriously as a peace candidate, as foreign policy is not the number one issue for most people, Bernies popularity is evidence of that.<br class="">
<br class="">
I do agree that focus on personality, is not the issue. It’s what they do, and the policy’s they implement that matter.</div>
<div class=""> Though Trumps racist comments is further fuel for the fire of distraction and division.</div>
<div class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class=""><font color="#000000" class="">My basic complaint is that you never considered defending Obama, and while that is to your credit, it contrasts significantly with how you refer to Trump. </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" class=""><font color="#000000" class="">By simply adding the word “ Administration,” when referring to Obama, it would have clarified, it’s not just one person when criticizing him for implementing the policy’s he did. By beginning statements
with “Trump is not the problem,” you are letting him off the hook, and losing your readers, whether flyers, or FB, or your conversations on NFN. </font></blockquote>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class="">We know the Pentagon wasn’t happy with Obama’s pivot to Asia, given they saw it as premature, given they were immersed in the Middle East, and setting up bases across Africa, the region of the Sahel now, as opposed to the Magreb. Wm. Blum
predicted the neocons, if Trump was elected, would push for war with Iran. Trumps appointments of Bolton, Pompeo, and Navarro, two war hawks and a China hater, give lie to his speeches as a candidate, when criticizing Obama’s foreign policy. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class=""><font color="#000000" class="">It’s important that people recognize our Presidents aren’t kings, what they say as candidates means little given the power of the Party and corporate elites supporting them. Once President, they
will do as they are told, and they know that very well. Trump may have been more defiant given his arrogance, or coming from the private sector with little political experience, he does not want to be a “President going to war,” which is good for some businesses
but bad for others. War with small vulnerable nations is okay. If Russia wasn’t in Venezuela it’s likely we would have been at war with them already given our intervention, in the meantime our sanctions will have to do. </font></blockquote>
<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The message to be delivered is the one you make below beginning with: </div>
<blockquote type="cite" class=""><i class=""><br class="">
"The problem is the consistent policies followed by all US administrations since the collapse of the USSR (and before) - war and war provocations abroad ( = neoconservatism), and austerity and market fundamentalism at home ( = neoliberalism). Neoconservatism
and neoliberalism are complementary, not contradictory.” </i></blockquote>
<div class=""> </div>
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 19, 2019, at 16:51, C G Estabrook <<a href="mailto:cgestabrook@gmail.com" class="">cgestabrook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
Karen--<br class="">
<br class="">
In spite of the fact that you’re probably my most attentive audience on UPTV, I’ve apparently failed to make my view of the US political situation clear to you. I think it does not diverge substantially from that of Pepe Escobar, Aaron Mate, or Noam Chomsky.<br class="">
<br class="">
The problem is the consistent policies followed by all US administrations since the collapse of the USSR (and before) - war and war provocations abroad ( = neoconservatism), and austerity and market fundamentalism at home ( = neoliberalism). Neoconservatism
and neoliberalism are complementary, not contradictory. <br class="">
<br class="">
Those policies have produced 40 years of growing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the US. But that’s experienced by a majority of Americans as the confiscation of the life styles taken for granted in their parents’ generation. The response is an
inchoate but growing populism - a popular view that "pits a virtuous and homogeneous people against a set of elites and dangerous ‘others’ who are together depicted as depriving (or attempting to deprive) the sovereign people of their rights, values, prosperity,
identity, and voice.” That view is not easily expressed by our usual left/right distinctions, but it produced the Trump presidency.<br class="">
<br class="">
The abandonment of class politics by American liberals in the 1970s - for fear of where it would lead (i.e., some form of socialism) - led them to substitute identity politics as the content of the liberal/left position. The proliferation of identies masked
the bankruptcy of liberalism. That was recognized by many Americans (however obscurely) as the ‘mendacity of hope’ in the Obama administration - the only one in history to be at war throughout two presidential terms, with ever-increasing austerity.<br class="">
<br class="">
Trump was the first major party presidential candidate in 40 years to attack neoliberalism and neoconservatism - and his tapping into inchoate populism (however intuitive) made him president. But the history of his administration is a history of acquiescence
to those very policies. It’s been suggested that Trump is in fact the weakest US president since Calvin Coolidge, making up in bluster what he lacks in effectiveness: witness his attempts this month to withdraw US troops from Syria and Afghanistan - attempts
frustrated by his own administration (notably Bolton and Pompeo) and the ‘political establishment’ (including the Democrats and main-stream media).<br class="">
<br class="">
The disingenuous “Resistance” is an attempt to highlight Trump’s obvious personal failings in order to restore the neolib and neocon status quo ante - not to change it - by threatening Trump with replacement: in responce, he fans insofar as he is able those
populist flames - and their less attractive features.<br class="">
<br class="">
The problem is that the populists are correct - the majority of Americans are in fact oppressed by "a set of elites [who are depriving] the sovereign people of their rights, values, prosperity, identity, and voice” - which the American people came to expect
in the generation after World War II. <br class="">
<br class="">
The populist movement is a fact and Trump is its temporary beneficiary - (and perhaps only partly aware of what it is). To many Americans, to “Make America Great Again” means to restore their confiscated life chances. <br class="">
<br class="">
But the American elite is in fact confiscating their chances (and those of others around the word) for its own profit: it’s the program of the American political establishment, who are bothered by the fear that the administration may actually abandon aspects
of neoliberalism and neoconservatism, under pressure of the rising populist wave - even if they now show few signs of doing so.<br class="">
<br class="">
Regards, CGE<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">On Aug 17, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
Glad to see David challenging Carl in relation to Trump. Carl is very good at saying “Trump is not the problem,” and making whatever excuses available for Trump doing what he does, or not doing, what he said he would do as a candidate. <br class="">
The duality/duplicity in relation to Carl’s blaming Obama for everything, is blatantly obvious and kills the credibility of NFN and AWARE, so it does need to be addressed.,, <br class="">
<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
</body>
</html>