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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wow Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That is an excellent analogy with Orwell’s 1984.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And I absolutely agree with what else you wrote here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Robert Naiman [mailto:naiman@justforeignpolicy.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 20, 2019 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Johnson<br><b>Cc:</b> Mildred O'brien; David Green; Peace-discuss List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Hillary smears Tulsi as "Russian asset"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>This points to one of the spectacular features of the juncture: by and large, the same Blob-neocon forces denouncing Trump for not blocking the Turkish/Free Syrian Army invasion of northern Syria are the same people who denounced Obama for not supporting the Free Syrian Army. It's breathtaking. These people are denouncing the Free Syrian Army as jihadists now. But before they were demanding that Obama support the Free Syrian Army. As Orwell put it: "We have <i>always</i> been at war <i>with Eurasia." </i>The point of Big Brother's slogan isn't just that you're supposed to accept that we've always been at war. The point is that you're supposed to accept that we've <i>always</i> been allied with Oceania against Eurasia, even though yesterday we were allied with Eurasia against Oceania. This is the litmus test of required acceptance of the ideological demands of the Empire: you don't complain when the Empire flips its alliances, you don't even acknowledge that the Empire has just flipped its alliances. We've always been at war with Al Qaeda. Even though yesterday, we were supporting Al Qaeda. These people aren't Democrats or Republicans; they're not pro-Obama or anti-Obama; they're not pro-Trump or anti-Trump. They're pro-Empire. Their God isn't Woodrow Wilson or Ronald Reagan; it's Clausewitz. They're for whichever side leads to occupying or controlling more territory, overthrowing more governments, establishing and keeping more foreign military bases, projecting more military power. They're playing Risk, they're playing Diplomacy, they're playing chess, they're playing Empire. The ultimate object of the game isn't to protect your pieces; it's to checkmate the enemy King. All else is secondary. This is why these people hate Tulsi Gabbard so much. Her "crime" was to be "prematurely" right about Syria, to denounce to the U.S. alliance with Al Qaeda in Syria before the U.S. switched sides and gave up its previous support for Al Qaeda in Syria. Her existence is an obstacle to the slogan, "We've always been at war with Al Qaeda." That's why the Blob and the neocons are trying to push her into the memory hole. <i> </i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 12:58 PM David Johnson via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Midge,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The handle “ Oakland Socialist “ belongs to a FORMER Carpenter friend of mine who became obsessed with Syria and supporting the CIA backed jihadists, calling them “ The Syrian People’s revolution “. He is sincere in his ridiculous beliefs. We had a falling out over this ( his choice not mine ) because I refused to support his view, even though I acknowledged that Assad was a brutal asshole. That wasn’t good enough for him. I felt as if a family member had joined some fucked up religious cult. He also hates the YPG Kurds, who I did / do support.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David J. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Peace-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss-bounces@lists.chambana.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:davegreen84@yahoo.com" target="_blank">davegreen84@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Hillary smears Tulsi as "Russian asset"</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The Oakland "Socialist"? "Marxmail"? (in DNC clothing trying to slam socialism with twisted analysis), like Nora O'Donnell (who muscled her way in as anchor of CBS news) opening Friday CBS Evening News with "breaking news": Tulsi Gabbard has been identified as a Russian asset with their attempt to interfere again in the 2020 election (I'm paraphrasing), picking up I suppose with the NYT report of Hillary's slander of Tulsi and Jill Stein as Russian assets and hanging out with Assad, in a feeble attempt to test the waters for what I suspect is her leap into the Democratic primary (release of a new book is the sure sign). She picked the wrong targets to malign; Tulsi,responded with a beautiful description of Hillary's political foibles with a perfect barrage. Did Hill think she could smear a couple of fringe potential enemies to avenge her past or present defeats with slanderous invective? Did she really think tarring them red would stick? Apparently it did, at least momentarily with the MSM and loyal feminist Hillary supporters, guilty themselves with spreading the slander as fact (more of Trump's "fake news"). <br><br>Midge <br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: David Green via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>To: Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" target="_blank">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Peace-discuss List <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>><br>Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2019 4:46 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Hillary smears Tulsi as "Russian asset"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id="gmail-m_565250661422598006yiv9272991874"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Look at what the "Oakland Socialist" says, also a link on the Marxmail website: </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin-bottom:11.25pt'><strong><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'>Syria, Tulsi Gabbard and red-brown alliance</span></strong><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'><br></span></b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'>One of the most spirited subjects to be discussed was foreign policy, specifically Syria, and here is where the truly dangerous nature of Tulsi Gabbard emerged. All the candidates but her strongly condemned Trump’s actions. While Gabbard mildly criticized it, her main point was to call for an end to “the regime change war that we are waging in Syria”. She repeated this phrase – “regime change wars” – time and again. This is the term the overt and covert Assad supporters use. They claim that the revolt in Syria is just a US effort at regime change. Along the way, they dismiss or ignore Assad’s absolutely criminal repression. So Gabbard was making a dog whistle to them. (At least Biden attacked her for this lie of hers.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'>The issue of Syria is the key nexus where the “left” and the far right, including outright fascists, meet, and Tulsi Gabbard is playing the role of the magnet for this tendency within the Democratic Party. She seems to be very conscious of that, as she was the only one to be fairly restrained also when the issue of a woman’s right to choose, a woman’s control over her own body, came up. In the few minutes allotted to her, Gabbard chose to talk against third trimester abortions. Regardless of whether she is right or not, this again is a dog whistle for the anti-abortion crowd.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="gmail-m_565250661422598006yiv9272991874yqt79614"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 4:38 PM Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Tulsi hits back: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464" target="_blank">https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=460 height=563 id="gmail-m_565250661422598006_x005f_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D58750.5E51F2E0" alt=image.png></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:06 PM Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" target="_blank">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This is breathtaking. There must be pushback. Hillary doesn't use Tulsi's name but as you can see from the responses everybody is assuming that Tulsi is who she is talking about. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://twitter.com/aaronblake/status/1185196559941722113" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/aaronblake/status/1185196559941722113</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><img border=0 width=492 height=543 id="gmail-m_565250661422598006_x005f_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01D58750.5E51F2E0" alt=image.png></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_565250661422598006yqt43291"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'>_______________________________________________<br>Peace-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank">Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a><br><a href="https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>