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<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Good, glad to hear it.<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 25, 2022, at 4:22 PM, Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" class="">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>For the record: I was on the call and took the suggested actions. There were more than 500 people on the call, according to Medea. Larry Wilkerson gave a shout-out to Yemen WPR, which I appreciated. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now we'll see how many people are on the Yemen call at 7pm CT. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 4:08 PM Robert Naiman <<a href="mailto:naiman.uiuc@gmail.com" class="">naiman.uiuc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram <<a href="mailto:karenaram@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">karenaram@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Robert, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You’re right about Yemen, it’s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That doesn’t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For those so certain the US isn’t insane, and won’t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy’s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn’t bother them at all. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have more articles if anyone is interested. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/" target="_blank" class="">https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span dir="auto" class=""><a href="https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fraymcgovern.com%2F2022%2F01%2F23%2Fperfidious-albion-giving-grist-to-nyt%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2ILirkN93s1nZcckTPemRbTBXvU3f5SLJo-PcQDrpprE2lRdhGMFqqvtA&h=AT3KLz-SU_m0WuubsmLju_TtI0y67N02zQD8KrotYF56k4liIQmfme8fNHrZ_E-DznBsr42QA4nEUmCdNjfM5aO_g7VUtdSFSJX5aLo8EuTZixwIBZH-PdQO0NRb6QwQ7pStJmk&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0]=AT3I2vkorbr6_pGXS0Avxt-MWOiY2nDtm4mvshP_InAS7XQW3hdvFKbYT6urDmFDsLtrnCaPoIWGozg2lf_UemxZBDRejHaHUGaD0UuGOU2s5sBob0KtT0gNytd5VSszFXMSD2ANnmdrVU6urm9iW7fflNfwlc9JWU8E-6nIEeCI49Cg8jZ5_IG6iuNQSHuHPBh0sX10MVqUJwd7G8Tw" rel="nofollow noopener" role="link" target="_blank" class="">https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../</a></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs" target="_blank" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace <<a href="mailto:peace@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="">If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)" class="">"Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis.</div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)" class="">Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET)</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80)" class=""><a href="https://www.codepink.org/yemenemergencyaction" target="_blank" class="">RSVP HERE.</a><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80)" class=""><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)" class="">The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked<span class=""> </span><span class="">Yemen</span>'s communication infrastructure, leaving all of<span class=""> </span><span class="">Yemen</span><span class=""> </span>without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck."</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss <<a href="mailto:peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net" target="_blank" class="">peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible
deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been
delivered to Ukraine.<br class="">
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US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support"
for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war.<br class="">
<br class="">
At <b class="">3PM Central Time </b>today, Jan. 25th, <b class="">CODE PINK will
hold an emergency webinar:<br class="">
<br class="">
</b>
<blockquote class=""><font size="4" class=""><b class=""><a href="https://www.codepink.org/092522?recruiter_id=428144" target="_blank" class="">Click
Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522</a></b></font></blockquote>
<blockquote class=""><b class="">Join an emergency webinar discussion between
CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry
Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. </b>Larry Wilkerson is
a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of
staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. <b class="">After ending his
military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War</b>
and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism
before diplomacy. <br class="">
<br class="">
<i class=""><b class=""><a href="https://www.codepink.org/092522?recruiter_id=428144" target="_blank" class="">RSVP
FOR THE WEBINAR HERE!</a></b></i><i class=""><b class=""><br class="">
</b></i><br class="">
<b class="">The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some
40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that
could easily result in war between the world’s two most heavily
armed nuclear states – the United States and Russia.</b> We must
immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue
vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every
reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, <b class="">including
a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.</b><br class="">
<br class="">
RSVP for today’s webinar and send a message to your
representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to
go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want
negotiations, not escalation. <br class="">
<br class="">
Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new
escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and
NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its
obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute
sovereignty over the Donbas region. <b class="">They have supplied
powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern
Ukraine. </b><b class=""><br class="">
</b><br class="">
Russia has always been opposed to NATO’s eastern expansion to its
borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO.
In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied
for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership
"a direct threat" to Russia. <b class="">NATO is a military alliance that
should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union
and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to
include Ukraine. <br class="">
<br class="">
</b><p class=""><span style="font-weight:400" class="">Rather than NATO dissolving
with
the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated</span><span style="font-weight:400" class=""> the agreements that brought the
original
Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping
its
promise not to expand eastward, it</span><span style="font-weight:400" class=""> has added 11 member countries that were once either
Soviet
republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. </span></p><p class=""><strong class="">Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a
massive
war. The time to speak out is now! </strong></p><p class=""><span style="font-weight:400" class=""><a style="color:rgb(204,0,153)" href="https://www.codepink.org/092522?recruiter_id=428144" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(204,0,153)" class=""><strong class="">Join
the webinar</strong></span></a> on the crisis in Ukraine</span><span style="font-weight:400" class=""> and </span><span style="color:rgb(204,0,153)" class=""><strong class=""><a style="color:rgb(204,0,153)" href="https://www.codepink.org/ukraine_congress?e=38045e0b248b322e5a3a8b9d6b8774fb&utm_source=codepink&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ukraine_emergency_3&n=11" target="_blank" class="">tell
Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern
Europe!</a></strong></span></p><p class="">Towards peace,<strong class=""><em class=""><br class="">
</em></strong><strong class=""><em class="">Medea and
the entire CODEPINK team:<span class=""> </span></em><em class="">Alice,
Allison, Ann,
Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly,
Lauren,
Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy,
Olivia,
Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie<br class="">
</em></strong></p>
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