From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 15:03:34 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 10:03:34 -0500 Subject: [Peace] =?utf-8?q?DK=3A_Deadline_to_Intro_House_Yemen_WPR=3A_Mar?= =?utf-8?q?ch_8=2C_Intl_Women=E2=80=99s_Day?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please vote in the poll. It will take you 3.8 seconds. So far it's tied. The DNC hack adversaries understand now that this is the Final Showdown on ending the Saudi war in Yemen between the peace advocates and the DNC hacks. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1/1/2072151/-Deadline-to-Intro-House-Yemen-War-Powers-Res-March-8-International-Women-s-Day Deadline to Intro House Yemen War Powers Res: March 8, International Women?s Day If we?re going to end unconstitutional U.S. participation in the Saudi regime war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen in 2022, then there must be a floor vote in the House on a Yemen War Powers Resolution by March 25, 2022, the seventh anniversary of the war. There?s no reason to do it any later. What are we waiting for? ?If not now, when?? There?s no information we need about this that we don?t already have. Are we waiting for the Saudi regime to blow up another school bus full of school children? Are we waiting for the Saudi regime to assassinate and dismember another Washington Post journalist who opposes the war? Are we waiting for the Saudi regime to starve more Yemeni children to death by blockading Yemeni ports? The more this issue drags into 2022, the more pressure there will be on House Democrats not to rock the boat. ?Don?t make no waves, don?t back no losers,? as they say in Chicago. The further this issue drags into 2022, the more the DNC hacks masquerading as peace advocates will say: ?Wah! Wah! You?re attacking Biden! It?s an election year! Democrats will lose the House and it will be all your fault!? Of course that?s cow manure. The DNC hacks masquerading as peace advocates will spew any nonsense. But we don?t want to study DNC hack apologetics for war no more. So let?s have the vote before March 25, 2022 and get it over with, so we don?t have to deal with this tawdry claim from DNC hacks that it?s our fault if Democrats lose the House because we wanted to end the Saudi war in Yemen, exactly as Democrats promised to Democrats in the Democratic Platform. To be certain of having a floor vote in the House by March 25, the Yemen War Powers Resolution must be introduced in the House at least two weeks before, because that?s the way the War Powers Resolution of 1973 works. There?s a waiting period after the bill is introduced before the sponsors can force a floor vote. 25-14 = 11. We need a hook on the calendar that?s before March 11. What?s wrong with March 8, International Women?s Day? ?Who will kill us?? as the Italians say. International Women?s Day links women in Yemen who are victims of this war to women in the United States, the United Kingdom and France whose governments are perpetuating this war. It?s principally the U.S., the UK, and France who are arming the Saudi regime. It?s the U.S., the UK and France who are blocking action on the UN Security Council to end this war. It?s the U.S., the UK, and France who are ensuring that international diplomacy to end the war is imprisoned in a Saudi regime-approved sandbox that never accomplishes anything in the absence of decisive Congressional action. Peace advocates across the United States need to know 100% for certain that we?re going to have this House floor vote in March so they can have the next two months to organize the Street Heat on House Democrats in March that?s going to win the vote. Every House Democrat voted before to end this war. But that?s when Trump was POTUS. Now we have Dem POTUS. We can expect the Administration to try twisting the arms of House Democrats against us, because that?s what every Administration always does. ?We?re the Administration, you?re not, yours not to reason why, yours just to follow our orders.? So we need Street Heat in March on the House Democrats who voted with us before so that they resist the Administration?s arm twisting. And Street Heat takes time to organize. Here?s how we lose. We wait until March. Then we say: ?Hey peace advocates across the United States! We have a floor vote in the House tomorrow! Go organize Street Heat on House Democrats!? If we?re going to try to do it like that, we might as well just concede defeat right now. Street Heat takes time to organize. Here?s how we win. We get ONE House Democrat to PUBLICLY pledge that if the House Yemen War Powers Resolution hasn?t been introduced by March 8, International Women?s Day, then that House Democrat will take responsibility for introducing the bill. Then the March House vote is publicly guaranteed. That will give peace advocates across the United States the certainty they need to organize the Street Heat for March. From the point of view of peace advocates organizing across the United States, it doesn?t matter that much who the bill sponsor will be. What matters for peace advocates across the United States is that?s it?s 100% certain that there will be a House floor vote to end the war in March. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our rulers are not even the slightest bit worried about us as individuals, but they are absolutely terrified of the idea of having to face us as a unified collective. > If individualism ever had an argument to begin with, it certainly hasn't got one anymore. Humanity's collective behavior is now so powerful that it can literally end our world. The only thing we can control now is whether that behavior is toward health or destruction. > Oh you just want the government to leave you alone and let you go about your business as an individual, do you? Well guess what blossom? Even if you went off grid and lived a truly independent life, the ways the powerful are organizing the collective will still get you killed by nuclear war or environmental destruction. Even if you support a radically individualist status quo like voluntaryism or minarchism, you're never going to get a chance at creating that status quo without mass-scale collective organization against the current status quo. An "anarchist" who dismisses mass collective organization is just a LARPer. > The need to begin thinking and organizing collectively has shown up at your doorstep. The luxury of thinking of yourself as an individual is no longer yours. Unhealthy mass-scale human behavior will destroy us all if we cannot make the changes necessary to turn it toward health. > We will either rise as a collective or perish as individuals. All other options have been taken off the table. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-us-strategic-interests-do-not-include-ukraine%C2%A0-198801 From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 5 12:57:54 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 06:57:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Violent clashes in Kazakhstan Message-ID: This is very important geo-politically especially in reference to what is taking place in Ukraine. Kazakhstan, a very rich oil nation is located on the borders of Russia and China. The rising price of oil is the reason for the recent clashes. https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/545178-violent-clashes-in-kazakhstan-state/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jan 6 20:22:39 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:22:39 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Paul Street's analogies Message-ID: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/01/05/four-analogies/ From jbn at forestfield.org Fri Jan 7 23:22:06 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 17:22:06 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: <4e26083b-108c-34c8-6631-5a5a26b040c0@forestfield.org> Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your video pointers to UPTV (UPTV at urbanaillinois.us). I have continued to ask UPTV to prioritize AWARE members video pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's video pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's video pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. Enjoy. -J News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air ================================================== Empire Files https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vwb2OlqTO0M -- (1h 36m 49) Killing Gaza RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=CNywSDMAhHM (4m 14s) Secret Drone Strike Archives: Pentagon Hid THOUSANDS of Civilian Deaths https://youtube.com/watch?v=LAqKB2xSC7A (8m 1s) -- Why some Americans no longer believe in Democracy https://youtube.com/watch?v=wVMq_OMC5Sw (7m 11s) -- Biden's promises that America is still waiting for https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5XVSUNuOc (25m 40s) -- Islamophobia, Race and Global Politics Glenn Greenwald https://youtube.com/watch?v=oT4KH4NhekE (27m 5s) -- The Semi-Inside Story of Why Trump Refused to Pardon Snowden and Assange Labor's World View TV ================================================== BreakThrough TV https://youtube.com/watch?v=MVWfVfBA2Ys -- (9m 55s) WEF Billionaires Say They?ll ?Save? Detroit, Organizers Say It?s a Trojan Horse CGTN https://youtube.com/watch?v=VRo3IhWkdzo -- (17m 51s) The Point - U.S. and modern slavery RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=oAWvb8yG50U (1m) It?s legal to Employ Children in Bolivia https://youtube.com/watch?v=wVMq_OMC5Sw (7m 11s) -- Biden's promises that America is still waiting for https://youtube.com/watch?v=jfsDlDYTfKY (27m 50s) -- Renegade Inc _ The Real Cost of the Gig Economy More Perfect Union https://youtube.com/watch?v=UwJ87gNHwU0 (6m 9s) -- Arizona Starbucks Workers EXPOSE Union-Busting Tactics https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fp2Ey0H7OUE (10m 42s) -- Is Homer Simpson's Middle Class American Dream Still Possible Today _ The Class Room From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 10 02:38:57 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2022 20:38:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: Mass shipments of nuclear waste across the US References: Message-ID: > Subject: Mass shipments of nuclear waste across the US > > https://popularresistance.org/plans-for-mass-shipments-of-high-level-radioactive-waste-quietly-disclosed/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Karen Medina Book release: "Understanding E-Carceration: Electronic Monitoring, the Surveillance State, and the Future of Mass Incarceration" by James Kilgore Who: Please join James Kilgore and Ruth Wilson Gilmore Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 Time: 12:30 PM ? 2:00 PM CST What: A virtual book release and urgent discussion of punitive carceral technologies and Kilgore's new book. (author) James Kilgore is co-founder of FirstFollowers, a reentry organization in Champaign, IL and is the author of five books, including the award-winning Understanding Mass Incarceration. // [another bio] James Kilgore is an activist, researcher, and writer based in Urbana, Illinois, where he has lived since paroling from prison in 2009. He is the director of the Challenging E-Carceration project at MediaJustice and the co-director of FirstFollowers Reentry Program in Champaign, Illinois. He is the author of five books, including Understanding E-Carceration and the award-winning Understanding Mass Incarceration (both from The New Press). Ruth Wilson Gilmore, Professor of Earth & Environmental Sciences and Director of the Center for Place, Culture, and Politics at the City University of New York Graduate Center, co-founder of many grassroots organizations including the California Prison Moratorium Project, Critical Resistance, and the Central California Environmental Justice Network. Gilmore is author of the prize-winning Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California (UC Press) and the forthcoming book Change Everything (Haymarket) * Get tickets for the event from eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/understanding-e-carceration-a-book-launch-tickets-238460029367?fbclid=IwAR2uO-KHhnzC1o6YLgGoL-gNxHhVzO8i7Zv2I60qVIQvmtpsOl9i6wYTxUs // Register through Eventbrite to receive a link to the video conference on the day of the event. This event will also be recorded and live captioning will be provided. // "This event is sponsored by The New Press and Haymarket Books. While all of our events are freely available, we ask that those who are able make a solidarity donation in support of our important publishing and programming work." * or here is a link to the YouTube event / Scheduled for Jan. 18, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2JaRJWcFM More about the book: https://thenewpress.com/books/understanding-e-carceration "Understanding E-Carceration: Electronic Monitoring, the Surveillance State, and the Future of Mass Incarceration" by James Kilgore Published by The New Press; the event is also Haymarket Books event as well as the New Press's event. Available: January 2022 Paperback 7 x 7 , 256 pages ISBN: 978-1-62097-614-2 Also available as an e-book You can purchase the book from: bookshop.org [Order a copy of Understanding E-carceration: https://bookshop.org/a/1039/9781620976142 ] Barnes and Noble Amazon Praise for the book, Understanding E-Carceration ?An incisive, thoroughly researched, and utterly frightening investigation into how technology, posing as reform, is expanding our prison nation into systems of hybrid punishment.? ?Victoria Law, author of Prison by Any Other Name and ?Prisons Make us Safer?: And 20 Other Myths about Mass Incarceration -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 * *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. /*RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! *//* */ *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO.* RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. ** * Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. * Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violatedthe agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, ithas added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! * *Join the webinar* on the crisis in Ukraineand *tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! * Towards peace,*/ /**/Medea and the entire CODEPINK team://Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie /* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 15:02:51 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 09:02:51 -0600 Subject: [Peace] The coming war with Russia..... Message-ID: "The fact that the State Department would publish such a report on the eve of a meeting which is all about propagating the big lie?that the U.S. has a plan for deterring ?irresponsible Russian aggression??while ignoring the hard truth: this is a crisis derived solely from the irresponsible policies of the U.S. and NATO over the past 30 years. While a compliant mainstream American media unthinkingly repeated every warning and threat issued by Biden and Blinken to Russia over the course of the past few days, the Russian position has been largely ignored. Here?s a reminder of where Russia stands on its demands for security guarantees: ?We are talking about the withdrawal of foreign forces, equipment, and weapons, as well as taking other steps to return to the set-up we had in 1997 in non-NATO countries,? the Russian Foreign Ministry declared in a bulletin published after the Lavrov-Blinken meeting. ?This includes Bulgaria and Romania.? Blinken has already said the U.S. will reject this. The toolbox is empty. Russia knows this. Biden knows this. Blinken knows this. CNN knows this. The only ones who aren?t aware of this are the American people. The consequences of a U.S. rejection of Russia?s demands will more than likely be war." https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 15:27:07 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 09:27:07 -0600 Subject: [Peace] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Stuart, I?ve been waiting for someone other than myself, to recognize the dangers inherent in what is taking place in Ukraine. I haven?t been posting on the Peace List given, I don?t know that my postings have been going through given I see almost no feedback nor postings from others. Even Facebook friends seem to not notice how critical this situation is with US nuclear missiles being spread across Eastern Europe, and Nato on the borders of Russia. I?m pleased to see "Code Pink,? currently the only anti-war group in the US showing concern, and now acting on the issue, as well as yourself. This is the most serious issue today, more dangerous even than the "Cuban Missile Crisis," according to some, with the potential for WW3. Karen Aram > On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace wrote: > > Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. > > US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. > > At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: > > Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 > Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. > > RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! > > The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. > > RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. > > Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. > > Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. > > Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. > > Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! > > Join the webinar on the crisis in Ukraine and tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! > Towards peace, > Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 17:08:05 2022 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 11:08:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: I do always see your posts on the Peace list, Karen; though as you say, seldom those of anyone else. Perhaps because others aren't posting? Maybe other folks aren't posting because they're tired, and feel a sense of futility. AWARE has been around since at least 2001. Since 9/11, since the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Years were spent picketing against these wars in various places around C-U. Somewhat surprisingly, it seems that we've had absolutely no impact on American foreign policy! The buildup to war is always exactly the same, and now we just sort of watch it happen, knowing full well what is going to happen. I don't think things are ever quite as simple as you seem to want to make them, and of course that's part of the problem. I feel like we're in the midst of a crowd of toddlers, where everyone - America, Russia, China, North Korea, anyone who is even remotely involved - says, "I'm GOOD!! HE is BAD!! It's all HIS fault!!" They're all children to me, children with nuclear weapons. We are children, too. I have wearied of it. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:27 AM karen aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Thank you Stuart, > > I?ve been waiting for someone other than myself, to recognize the dangers > inherent in what is taking place in Ukraine. I haven?t been posting on the > Peace List given, I don?t know that my postings have been going through > given I see almost no feedback nor postings from others. Even Facebook > friends seem to not notice how critical this situation is with US nuclear > missiles being spread across Eastern Europe, and Nato on the borders of > Russia. > > I?m pleased to see "Code Pink,? currently the only anti-war group in the > US showing concern, and now acting on the issue, as well as yourself. > > This is the most serious issue today, more dangerous even than the "Cuban > Missile Crisis," according to some, with the potential for WW3. > > Karen Aram > > > On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible > deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to > Ukraine. > > US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for > Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. > > At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, > > *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * > > *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 > * > > *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin > and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry > Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of > staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his military > career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has been a vocal > opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. > > *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! > * > > *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 > international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result > in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the > United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the > U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated > solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made > with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member > of NATO.* > > RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in > Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over > Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. > > Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new > escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have > encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk > II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They > have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in > Eastern Ukraine. * > > Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, > and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when > Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, > President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. > > *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the > dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly > not be expanding to include Ukraine. * > > Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, > it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an > end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand > eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet > republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. > > *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. 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URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 17:19:33 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:19:33 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) RSVP HERE. The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible > deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to > Ukraine. > > US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for > Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. > > At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, > > *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * > > *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 > * > > *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin > and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry > Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of > staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his military > career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has been a vocal > opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. > > *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! > * > > *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 > international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result > in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the > United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the > U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated > solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made > with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member > of NATO.* > > RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in > Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over > Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. > > Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new > escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have > encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk > II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They > have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in > Eastern Ukraine. * > > Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, > and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when > Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, > President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. > > *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the > dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly > not be expanding to include Ukraine. * > > Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, > it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an > end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand > eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet > republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. > > *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to > speak out is now! * > > *Join the webinar* > on the crisis in Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send troops > to Eastern Europe! > * > > Towards peace, > > *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, > Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, > Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie * > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 17:49:10 2022 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 11:49:10 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Absolutely correct. I love the schoolyard slogan, which is so absolutely a propos to the way our nation behaves (and Russia, and China). And it's good practical advice. NEVER pick on someone your own size!! Even small countries like Viet Nam and Afghanistan have mired us down and caused us much blood and treasure. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 11:20 AM Robert Naiman via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over > Ukraine, please raise your hand. > > This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia > over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, > why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This > is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But > whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not > insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few > thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose > more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the > German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. > > Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own > size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on > the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of > Champaign-Urbana. > > Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at > 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How > many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob > media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people > running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death > because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation > of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of > 1973? > > Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't > want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: > > "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a > briefing from Yemenis. > Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) > RSVP HERE. > The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication > infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. > Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People > in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to > engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be > briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the > tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We > need all hands on deck." > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible >> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to >> Ukraine. >> >> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for >> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >> >> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, >> >> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * >> >> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >> * >> >> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin >> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry >> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of >> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his military >> career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has been a vocal >> opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >> >> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >> * >> >> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 >> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result >> in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the >> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the >> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated >> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made >> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a >> member of NATO.* >> >> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in >> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over >> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >> >> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new >> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have >> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk >> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They >> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in >> Eastern Ukraine. * >> >> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its >> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, >> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO >> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" >> to Russia. >> >> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the >> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly >> not be expanding to include Ukraine. * >> >> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, >> it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an >> end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand >> eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet >> republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >> >> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time >> to speak out is now! * >> >> *Join the webinar* >> on the crisis in Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send troops >> to Eastern Europe! >> * >> >> Towards peace, >> >> *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, >> Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, >> Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 18:55:16 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:55:16 -0600 Subject: [Peace] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: John You simplify issues too much, with your negativity. That makes it so easy to ignore and do nothing doesn?t it? > On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:08 AM, John W. wrote: > > > I do always see your posts on the Peace list, Karen; though as you say, seldom those of anyone else. Perhaps because others aren't posting? > > Maybe other folks aren't posting because they're tired, and feel a sense of futility. AWARE has been around since at least 2001. Since 9/11, since the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Years were spent picketing against these wars in various places around C-U. Somewhat surprisingly, it seems that we've had absolutely no impact on American foreign policy! The buildup to war is always exactly the same, and now we just sort of watch it happen, knowing full well what is going to happen. > > I don't think things are ever quite as simple as you seem to want to make them, and of course that's part of the problem. I feel like we're in the midst of a crowd of toddlers, where everyone - America, Russia, China, North Korea, anyone who is even remotely involved - says, "I'm GOOD!! HE is BAD!! It's all HIS fault!!" They're all children to me, children with nuclear weapons. We are children, too. I have wearied of it. > > John > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:27 AM karen aram via Peace > wrote: > Thank you Stuart, > > I?ve been waiting for someone other than myself, to recognize the dangers inherent in what is taking place in Ukraine. I haven?t been posting on the Peace List given, I don?t know that my postings have been going through given I see almost no feedback nor postings from others. Even Facebook friends seem to not notice how critical this situation is with US nuclear missiles being spread across Eastern Europe, and Nato on the borders of Russia. > > I?m pleased to see "Code Pink,? currently the only anti-war group in the US showing concern, and now acting on the issue, as well as yourself. > > This is the most serious issue today, more dangerous even than the "Cuban Missile Crisis," according to some, with the potential for WW3. > > Karen Aram > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace > wrote: >> >> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >> >> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >> >> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >> >> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >> >> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >> >> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >> >> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >> >> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >> >> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. >> >> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >> >> Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 19:24:39 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 13:24:39 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert, You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: I have more articles if anyone is interested. https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ > On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: > > > If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. > > This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. > > Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. > > Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? > > Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: > > "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. > Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) > RSVP HERE. > The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: > Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. > > US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. > > At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: > > Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 > Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. > > RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! > > The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. > > RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. > > Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. > > Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. > > Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. > > Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. 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As to the frightful situation boiling in Ukraine, my sense is that the Russians will have to do something dramatic, and very soon, to adequately protect themselves from US led provocations and threats. They have to convince the US and its European vassals that much is at stake?that they have to contemplate horrendous destruction on their home grounds?if they do not accede to the eminently reasonable requests for security by the Russians. I?m sure the Russians undestand all this, but the decisions they must make are fateful, fearful ones. I think we are all holding our breaths. By ?all". I do not mean the American population and its leaders. That ?all" seems totally ignorant. Read Caitlin Johnstone on the responsibility for this pervasive ignorance by our corporate media. ?mkb On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:08 AM, John W. via Peace > wrote: I do always see your posts on the Peace list, Karen; though as you say, seldom those of anyone else. Perhaps because others aren't posting? Maybe other folks aren't posting because they're tired, and feel a sense of futility. AWARE has been around since at least 2001. Since 9/11, since the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Years were spent picketing against these wars in various places around C-U. Somewhat surprisingly, it seems that we've had absolutely no impact on American foreign policy! The buildup to war is always exactly the same, and now we just sort of watch it happen, knowing full well what is going to happen. I don't think things are ever quite as simple as you seem to want to make them, and of course that's part of the problem. I feel like we're in the midst of a crowd of toddlers, where everyone - America, Russia, China, North Korea, anyone who is even remotely involved - says, "I'm GOOD!! HE is BAD!! It's all HIS fault!!" They're all children to me, children with nuclear weapons. We are children, too. I have wearied of it. John On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:27 AM karen aram via Peace > wrote: Thank you Stuart, I?ve been waiting for someone other than myself, to recognize the dangers inherent in what is taking place in Ukraine. I haven?t been posting on the Peace List given, I don?t know that my postings have been going through given I see almost no feedback nor postings from others. Even Facebook friends seem to not notice how critical this situation is with US nuclear missiles being spread across Eastern Europe, and Nato on the borders of Russia. I?m pleased to see "Code Pink,? currently the only anti-war group in the US showing concern, and now acting on the issue, as well as yourself. This is the most serious issue today, more dangerous even than the "Cuban Missile Crisis," according to some, with the potential for WW3. Karen Aram On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace > wrote: Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. 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URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 21:08:37 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram wrote: > Robert, > > You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created > in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya > and Syria. > > That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of > Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during > the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. > > For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, > you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in > a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. > > The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another > Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region > specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. > > When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever > over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same > concern, is insulting. > > So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: > > I have more articles if anyone is interested. > > https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ > > https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs > > > https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ > > > https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over > Ukraine, please raise your hand. > > This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia > over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, > why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This > is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But > whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not > insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few > thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose > more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the > German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. > > Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own > size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on > the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of > Champaign-Urbana. > > Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at > 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How > many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob > media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people > running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death > because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation > of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of > 1973? > > Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't > want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: > > "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a > briefing from Yemenis. > Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) > RSVP HERE. > The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication > infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. > Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People > in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to > engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be > briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the > tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We > need all hands on deck." > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible >> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to >> Ukraine. >> >> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for >> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >> >> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, >> >> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * >> >> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >> * >> >> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin >> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry >> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of >> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his military >> career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has been a vocal >> opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >> >> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >> * >> >> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 >> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result >> in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the >> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the >> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated >> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made >> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a >> member of NATO.* >> >> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in >> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over >> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >> >> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new >> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have >> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk >> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They >> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in >> Eastern Ukraine. * >> >> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its >> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, >> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO >> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" >> to Russia. >> >> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the >> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly >> not be expanding to include Ukraine. * >> >> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, >> it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an >> end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand >> eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet >> republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >> >> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time >> to speak out is now! * >> >> *Join the webinar* >> on the crisis in Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send troops >> to Eastern Europe! >> * >> >> Towards peace, >> >> *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, >> Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, >> Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 22:22:38 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:22:38 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: For the record: I was on the call and took the suggested actions. There were more than 500 people on the call, according to Medea. Larry Wilkerson gave a shout-out to Yemen WPR, which I appreciated. Now we'll see how many people are on the Yemen call at 7pm CT. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 4:08 PM Robert Naiman wrote: > > I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in > Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's > nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy > war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war > is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has > destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which > is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about > this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to > improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't > sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine > once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a > Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the > big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on > the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of > starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a > nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? > It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. > > Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote > sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians > intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight > Russia over Syria. > > They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram wrote: > >> Robert, >> >> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was >> created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of >> Libya and Syria. >> >> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of >> Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during >> the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >> >> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with >> Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine >> destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >> >> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another >> Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region >> specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >> >> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever >> over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same >> concern, is insulting. >> >> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >> >> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >> >> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >> >> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >> >> >> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >> >> >> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >> >> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over >> Ukraine, please raise your hand. >> >> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia >> over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, >> why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This >> is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But >> whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not >> insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few >> thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose >> more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the >> German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >> >> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your >> own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough >> on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of >> Champaign-Urbana. >> >> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today >> at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How >> many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob >> media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people >> running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death >> because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation >> of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of >> 1973? >> >> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who >> don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >> >> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a >> briefing from Yemenis. >> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >> RSVP HERE. >> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication >> infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. >> Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People >> in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to >> engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be >> briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the >> tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We >> need all hands on deck." >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible >>> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to >>> Ukraine. >>> >>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for >>> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>> >>> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, >>> >>> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * >>> >>> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>> * >>> >>> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin >>> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry >>> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of >>> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his >>> military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has >>> been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before >>> diplomacy. >>> >>> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>> * >>> >>> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 >>> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result >>> in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the >>> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the >>> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated >>> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made >>> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a >>> member of NATO.* >>> >>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in >>> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over >>> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>> >>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new >>> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have >>> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk >>> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They >>> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in >>> Eastern Ukraine. * >>> >>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its >>> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, >>> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO >>> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" >>> to Russia. >>> >>> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the >>> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly >>> not be expanding to include Ukraine. * >>> >>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have >>> done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War >>> to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to >>> expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either >>> Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >>> >>> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time >>> to speak out is now! * >>> >>> *Join the webinar* >>> on the crisis in Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send >>> troops to Eastern Europe! >>> * >>> >>> Towards peace, >>> >>> *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, >>> Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, >>> Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie * >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 22:24:27 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:24:27 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good, glad to hear it. > On Jan 25, 2022, at 4:22 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > > For the record: I was on the call and took the suggested actions. There were more than 500 people on the call, according to Medea. Larry Wilkerson gave a shout-out to Yemen WPR, which I appreciated. > > Now we'll see how many people are on the Yemen call at 7pm CT. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 4:08 PM Robert Naiman > wrote: > > I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. > > Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. > > They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: > Robert, > > You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. > > That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. > > For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. > > The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. > > When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. > > So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: > > I have more articles if anyone is interested. > > https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ > > https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs > > https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ > > https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ > > > > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >> >> >> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. >> >> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >> >> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. >> >> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? >> >> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >> >> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. >> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >> RSVP HERE. >> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >> >> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >> >> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >> >> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >> >> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >> >> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >> >> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >> >> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >> >> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. >> >> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >> >> Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! >> >> Join the webinar on the crisis in Ukraine and tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! >> Towards peace, >> Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 22:39:59 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:39:59 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how many lives they destroy. Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the surface, not just skimming the headlines. For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows exactly what is taking place. Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US imperialism since at least 1917. And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, and accidents do happen. > On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > > I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. > > Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. > > They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: > Robert, > > You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. > > That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. > > For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. > > The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. > > When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. > > So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: > > I have more articles if anyone is interested. > > https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ > > https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs > > https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ > > https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ > > > > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >> >> >> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. >> >> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >> >> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. >> >> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? >> >> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >> >> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. >> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >> RSVP HERE. >> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >> >> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >> >> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >> >> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >> >> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >> >> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >> >> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >> >> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >> >> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. >> >> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >> >> Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! >> >> Join the webinar on the crisis in Ukraine and tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! >> Towards peace, >> Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 23:50:17 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 23:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fw: From the Trotskyist media, no love of Russia, but totally aware of US war and imperialism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ From: karen aram Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 5:21 PM To: Karen Aram Subject: From the Trotskyist media, no love of Russia, but totally aware of US war and imperialism * * * Perspectives * World * Global class struggle * Pandemic * Arts & Culture * History * Capitalism & Inequality * Anti-Imperialism * Videos * Podcast * Marxist Library ); } * * Fourth International * Socialist Equality Party * IYSSE * About the WSWS * Contact * Donate Perspective Why the US and NATO want war with Russia Statement of the World Socialist Web Site editorial board The World Socialist Web Site condemns the escalating provocations by the United States and NATO against Russia. Their aim is to manufacture a pretext for war. These reckless actions threaten to trigger a global conflagration that would cost the lives of hundreds of millions of people. The Biden administration announced yesterday that it is placing 8,500 troops on standby for deployment to countries in Central and Eastern Europe, on Russia?s border. This follows a report in the New York Times that the US government is developing plans to send up to 50,000 troops to the region. [https://www.wsws.org/asset/110b2b5c-0a8c-4554-a15e-f7ef980bf5fc?rendition=image1280] A Ukrainian soldier near Donetsk, Ukraine, Monday, April 12, 2021. (AP Photo) US Colonel Alexander Vindman, who is involved in top-level US talks with the Ukrainian regime, declared: ?Why is this important to the American public? It?s important because we?re about to have the largest war in Europe since World War II. There?s going to be a massive deployment of air power, long-range artillery, cruise missiles, things that we haven?t seen unfold on the European landscape for more than 80 years, and it is not going to be a clean or sterile environment.? Like the disastrous US interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan, the road to war with Russia is paved with lies. The military build-up in Eastern Europe is being justified with media-hyped claims that an invasion of Ukraine is imminent, which even the Ukrainian government has questioned. This has been supplemented by warnings, without any factual basis, that Russia is planning to stage a ?false flag? operation. If such an operation takes place, one can be certain that its authors will be in Washington, not Moscow. The latest lie is the claim, manufactured by the British government, that Russia aims to forcibly install a puppet regime in Ukraine?precisely what Washington, Berlin and the NATO alliance did in 2014, backing a far-right putsch that seized power in Kiev. This lie has already exploded in London?s face. The man identified as the putative leader of a Russian puppet regime in Ukraine, businessman and former parliamentarian Yevhen Murayev, is in fact banned from Russia, which has seized his assets. The biggest lie of all is that the US and NATO are engaged in a defense of ?democracy? and against ?foreign aggression.? The Ukrainian government and state apparatus is riddled with neo-Nazi paramilitary forces who played a central role in the 2014 putsch. This includes the Svoboda party, which the European Parliament had formally condemned for its ?racist, anti-Semitic, and xenophobic views,? and the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia and Azov Battalion. As for the Biden administration?s claims that it is defending the sanctity of Ukraine?s national sovereignty against ?foreign aggression,? the list of countries invaded and/or bombed by the US in the last 30 years includes Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya and Syria. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the NATO military alliance has extended its borders 800 miles to the east, incorporating Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia. In 2021, NATO officially recognized Ukraine itself as an ?aspiring member,? and Sweden and Finland are also considering joining the anti-Russia alliance. Both Finland and Estonia are less than 200 kilometers (125 miles) from St. Petersburg, and Ukraine?s eastern border is less than 750 kilometers (465 miles) from Moscow. While the US and European powers are denouncing Russia for alleged troop movements within its own borders, billions of dollars in arms have been supplied by the US to the Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia which are now being shipped to Ukraine. The US already has more than 150 military advisers in Ukraine, including Special Operations Forces, joining advisers from the UK, Canada, Lithuania and Poland. Under these conditions, how could Russia not assume that it is the target of a military attack? While the lies used to justify imperialist aggression are no more credible than the claims of Iraqi ?weapons of mass destruction,? the new lies, as with the old, are presented by the media as absolute truth. Neither the Biden administration nor its NATO allies have explained what they believe will be the outcome of the escalating confrontation. What is their worst case scenario? The US claims that it will not be directly involved in a military conflict with Russia. This is a lie. The United States, pouring arms into Ukraine and stationing American military advisers in the country, is?in law and in practice?already engaged in hostile action against Russia. What do the US and NATO plan to do if their actions lead Russia to take military action not only against the Ukrainian puppets but also the American and Western European puppet masters? And does the Biden administration and the CIA really believe that a war with Russia will be a small and easily contained localized conflict? If so, they should think again. A war with Russia would rapidly escalate into a global conflagration, inevitably involving China and, for that matter, every country in the world. The US-NATO provocations have made the danger of a nuclear war greater than at any point since the height of the Cold War conflict between the US and the Soviet Union. It may appear that only the insane would provoke a war with such potentially catastrophic consequences. There is, however, a logic to this madness. First, there are the geopolitical calculations of US imperialism. The reference by Biden at his recent press conference to Russia?s eight time zones and immense resources indicate the criminal calculations that motivate US military planning. US and European imperialism view Russia, as Hitler did in 1941, as a vast arena for plunder. Through a combination of war and internal destabilization, imperialism seeks to instigate the breakup of Russia. Their aim is to carve up Russia into numerous puppet states that would exist as colonies of the major imperialist powers. Further, the United States views the integration of Russia into its sphere of influence as essential to preparations for war with China. But all of this is taking place within the framework of a catastrophe produced by the ruling class?s response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Nearly 900,000 Americans are dead from COVID-19, according to official figures. As the Omicron variant spreads without restraint, the ruling class has abandoned any pretense of containing, let alone eliminating, the virus. Schools and workplaces are being kept open, guaranteeing mass infection on a scale that has not been seen throughout the entire pandemic. In the UK, the principal co-conspirator with the US in the war drive against Russia, the government of Boris Johnson, is hanging by a thread. But Johnson, the political and social lowlife who infamously declared, ?let the bodies pile up in their thousands,? only exemplifies the degeneration of European bourgeois politics as a whole. The pandemic has triggered an economic, social and political crisis of the entire capitalist order. Over the past week, Wall Street has seen the steepest declines since the collapse in March of 2020. Soaring inflation threatens to undercut the Federal Reserve?s policy of providing unlimited cash to the financial markets, which has fueled a speculative mania unlike anything seen since the years prior to the Great Depression. The Biden administration barely survived a fascistic coup a year ago that was aimed at blocking it from taking power. The instigator of the coup, Donald Trump, remains the de facto leader of the Republican Party, and the conspiracy to overturn the Constitution and establish a dictatorship continues. For the past year, the obsessive fixation of the Biden administration has been ?unity.? With regards to the divisions within the ruling class, Biden is using the provocations against Russia to forge an alliance with the most right-wing sections of the Republican Party?that is, a unity of the ruling class on the basis of military aggression abroad. The greatest fear of the ruling class, however, is the growth of social opposition from below. The fight against the pandemic is beginning to take the form of a class struggle, as expressed in walkouts by teachers and students, and growing anger among broader sections of the working class. Just this month, teacher struggles have erupted in Chicago and across France, followed by student protests and walkouts in New York, San Francisco, Oakland, Boston, and in Austria and Greece. A wave of wildcat strikes against sell-out contracts agreed to by the trade unions has erupted in mines and metalworking factories across Turkey. The fear of the emergence of a mass working class movement is what imparts to the anti-Russia campaign its hysterical and homicidal character. This would not be the first time that war is utilized in a desperate effort to establish a false ?national unity.? Historically condemned ruling classes have frequently turned in the past to suicidal policies of war in an attempt to preserve their class rule. In his work on this subject, titled ?Internal Causes and Purposes of War in Europe, 1870-1956,? Princeton University historian Arno Mayer observed, ?In their bid to recover greater internal control, embattled governments tend to flaunt the specter of external dangers with the calculation that international tensions short of war can help to foster domestic cohesion.? Such considerations were central to the ?war on terror,? which was used to wage war abroad and domestic repression at home. After the debacle of the war in Afghanistan, which culminated in the withdrawal of US forces last year, the temptation of the ruling class is to find a way out through an even more catastrophic military conflagration. A ruling class that proves willing to needlessly sacrifice millions of lives during the pandemic will ultimately prove no less willing to sacrifice tens or hundreds of millions, or even billions, in a war. The Russian as well as the Ukrainian working class is confronting the catastrophic consequences of the dissolution of the Soviet Union by the Stalinist bureaucracy in 1991. This criminal act was justified with the claim that Russia would be enriched by its peaceful integration into the bountiful world capitalist order. As for the potential danger of imperialist aggression, Gorbachev and Yeltsin and the Stalinist theoreticians of capitalist restoration dismissed this as a bizarre Marxist fantasy. ?Imperialism? was merely a Leninist?or still worse, Trotskyist?concept, invented to justify the 1917 October Revolution and socialism. This ?invention? is now armed to the teeth and preparing the violent dismemberment of Russia and its transformation into a colony of world imperialism. The Putin regime, which rules on behalf of the capitalist oligarchs that dominate the country, has no viable, let alone progressive, response to the threat. Hostile to the working class, it oscillates between attempts to negotiate a deal with the imperialist powers and threatening them with Russia?s military might. No political support whatsoever can be extended to the Putin regime by the Russian working class. The situation is urgent. The working class must be made aware of the war danger and of the necessity to intervene politically to stop it. The fight against war must be connected to the growing movement of the working class against the ruling class policy of mass infection, unprecedented levels of social inequality, and the growing danger of far-right and fascistic dictatorship. That is, the fight against war must be developed as an independent political movement of the working class against the ruling class and the entire capitalist system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 25 23:50:17 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 23:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace] Fw: From the Trotskyist media, no love of Russia, but totally aware of US war and imperialism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ From: karen aram Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 5:21 PM To: Karen Aram Subject: From the Trotskyist media, no love of Russia, but totally aware of US war and imperialism * * * Perspectives * World * Global class struggle * Pandemic * Arts & Culture * History * Capitalism & Inequality * Anti-Imperialism * Videos * Podcast * Marxist Library ); } * * Fourth International * Socialist Equality Party * IYSSE * About the WSWS * Contact * Donate Perspective Why the US and NATO want war with Russia Statement of the World Socialist Web Site editorial board The World Socialist Web Site condemns the escalating provocations by the United States and NATO against Russia. Their aim is to manufacture a pretext for war. These reckless actions threaten to trigger a global conflagration that would cost the lives of hundreds of millions of people. The Biden administration announced yesterday that it is placing 8,500 troops on standby for deployment to countries in Central and Eastern Europe, on Russia?s border. This follows a report in the New York Times that the US government is developing plans to send up to 50,000 troops to the region. [https://www.wsws.org/asset/110b2b5c-0a8c-4554-a15e-f7ef980bf5fc?rendition=image1280] A Ukrainian soldier near Donetsk, Ukraine, Monday, April 12, 2021. (AP Photo) US Colonel Alexander Vindman, who is involved in top-level US talks with the Ukrainian regime, declared: ?Why is this important to the American public? It?s important because we?re about to have the largest war in Europe since World War II. There?s going to be a massive deployment of air power, long-range artillery, cruise missiles, things that we haven?t seen unfold on the European landscape for more than 80 years, and it is not going to be a clean or sterile environment.? Like the disastrous US interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan, the road to war with Russia is paved with lies. The military build-up in Eastern Europe is being justified with media-hyped claims that an invasion of Ukraine is imminent, which even the Ukrainian government has questioned. This has been supplemented by warnings, without any factual basis, that Russia is planning to stage a ?false flag? operation. If such an operation takes place, one can be certain that its authors will be in Washington, not Moscow. The latest lie is the claim, manufactured by the British government, that Russia aims to forcibly install a puppet regime in Ukraine?precisely what Washington, Berlin and the NATO alliance did in 2014, backing a far-right putsch that seized power in Kiev. This lie has already exploded in London?s face. The man identified as the putative leader of a Russian puppet regime in Ukraine, businessman and former parliamentarian Yevhen Murayev, is in fact banned from Russia, which has seized his assets. The biggest lie of all is that the US and NATO are engaged in a defense of ?democracy? and against ?foreign aggression.? The Ukrainian government and state apparatus is riddled with neo-Nazi paramilitary forces who played a central role in the 2014 putsch. This includes the Svoboda party, which the European Parliament had formally condemned for its ?racist, anti-Semitic, and xenophobic views,? and the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia and Azov Battalion. As for the Biden administration?s claims that it is defending the sanctity of Ukraine?s national sovereignty against ?foreign aggression,? the list of countries invaded and/or bombed by the US in the last 30 years includes Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya and Syria. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the NATO military alliance has extended its borders 800 miles to the east, incorporating Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia. In 2021, NATO officially recognized Ukraine itself as an ?aspiring member,? and Sweden and Finland are also considering joining the anti-Russia alliance. Both Finland and Estonia are less than 200 kilometers (125 miles) from St. Petersburg, and Ukraine?s eastern border is less than 750 kilometers (465 miles) from Moscow. While the US and European powers are denouncing Russia for alleged troop movements within its own borders, billions of dollars in arms have been supplied by the US to the Baltic states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia which are now being shipped to Ukraine. The US already has more than 150 military advisers in Ukraine, including Special Operations Forces, joining advisers from the UK, Canada, Lithuania and Poland. Under these conditions, how could Russia not assume that it is the target of a military attack? While the lies used to justify imperialist aggression are no more credible than the claims of Iraqi ?weapons of mass destruction,? the new lies, as with the old, are presented by the media as absolute truth. Neither the Biden administration nor its NATO allies have explained what they believe will be the outcome of the escalating confrontation. What is their worst case scenario? The US claims that it will not be directly involved in a military conflict with Russia. This is a lie. The United States, pouring arms into Ukraine and stationing American military advisers in the country, is?in law and in practice?already engaged in hostile action against Russia. What do the US and NATO plan to do if their actions lead Russia to take military action not only against the Ukrainian puppets but also the American and Western European puppet masters? And does the Biden administration and the CIA really believe that a war with Russia will be a small and easily contained localized conflict? If so, they should think again. A war with Russia would rapidly escalate into a global conflagration, inevitably involving China and, for that matter, every country in the world. The US-NATO provocations have made the danger of a nuclear war greater than at any point since the height of the Cold War conflict between the US and the Soviet Union. It may appear that only the insane would provoke a war with such potentially catastrophic consequences. There is, however, a logic to this madness. First, there are the geopolitical calculations of US imperialism. The reference by Biden at his recent press conference to Russia?s eight time zones and immense resources indicate the criminal calculations that motivate US military planning. US and European imperialism view Russia, as Hitler did in 1941, as a vast arena for plunder. Through a combination of war and internal destabilization, imperialism seeks to instigate the breakup of Russia. Their aim is to carve up Russia into numerous puppet states that would exist as colonies of the major imperialist powers. Further, the United States views the integration of Russia into its sphere of influence as essential to preparations for war with China. But all of this is taking place within the framework of a catastrophe produced by the ruling class?s response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Nearly 900,000 Americans are dead from COVID-19, according to official figures. As the Omicron variant spreads without restraint, the ruling class has abandoned any pretense of containing, let alone eliminating, the virus. Schools and workplaces are being kept open, guaranteeing mass infection on a scale that has not been seen throughout the entire pandemic. In the UK, the principal co-conspirator with the US in the war drive against Russia, the government of Boris Johnson, is hanging by a thread. But Johnson, the political and social lowlife who infamously declared, ?let the bodies pile up in their thousands,? only exemplifies the degeneration of European bourgeois politics as a whole. The pandemic has triggered an economic, social and political crisis of the entire capitalist order. Over the past week, Wall Street has seen the steepest declines since the collapse in March of 2020. Soaring inflation threatens to undercut the Federal Reserve?s policy of providing unlimited cash to the financial markets, which has fueled a speculative mania unlike anything seen since the years prior to the Great Depression. The Biden administration barely survived a fascistic coup a year ago that was aimed at blocking it from taking power. The instigator of the coup, Donald Trump, remains the de facto leader of the Republican Party, and the conspiracy to overturn the Constitution and establish a dictatorship continues. For the past year, the obsessive fixation of the Biden administration has been ?unity.? With regards to the divisions within the ruling class, Biden is using the provocations against Russia to forge an alliance with the most right-wing sections of the Republican Party?that is, a unity of the ruling class on the basis of military aggression abroad. The greatest fear of the ruling class, however, is the growth of social opposition from below. The fight against the pandemic is beginning to take the form of a class struggle, as expressed in walkouts by teachers and students, and growing anger among broader sections of the working class. Just this month, teacher struggles have erupted in Chicago and across France, followed by student protests and walkouts in New York, San Francisco, Oakland, Boston, and in Austria and Greece. A wave of wildcat strikes against sell-out contracts agreed to by the trade unions has erupted in mines and metalworking factories across Turkey. The fear of the emergence of a mass working class movement is what imparts to the anti-Russia campaign its hysterical and homicidal character. This would not be the first time that war is utilized in a desperate effort to establish a false ?national unity.? Historically condemned ruling classes have frequently turned in the past to suicidal policies of war in an attempt to preserve their class rule. In his work on this subject, titled ?Internal Causes and Purposes of War in Europe, 1870-1956,? Princeton University historian Arno Mayer observed, ?In their bid to recover greater internal control, embattled governments tend to flaunt the specter of external dangers with the calculation that international tensions short of war can help to foster domestic cohesion.? Such considerations were central to the ?war on terror,? which was used to wage war abroad and domestic repression at home. After the debacle of the war in Afghanistan, which culminated in the withdrawal of US forces last year, the temptation of the ruling class is to find a way out through an even more catastrophic military conflagration. A ruling class that proves willing to needlessly sacrifice millions of lives during the pandemic will ultimately prove no less willing to sacrifice tens or hundreds of millions, or even billions, in a war. The Russian as well as the Ukrainian working class is confronting the catastrophic consequences of the dissolution of the Soviet Union by the Stalinist bureaucracy in 1991. This criminal act was justified with the claim that Russia would be enriched by its peaceful integration into the bountiful world capitalist order. As for the potential danger of imperialist aggression, Gorbachev and Yeltsin and the Stalinist theoreticians of capitalist restoration dismissed this as a bizarre Marxist fantasy. ?Imperialism? was merely a Leninist?or still worse, Trotskyist?concept, invented to justify the 1917 October Revolution and socialism. This ?invention? is now armed to the teeth and preparing the violent dismemberment of Russia and its transformation into a colony of world imperialism. The Putin regime, which rules on behalf of the capitalist oligarchs that dominate the country, has no viable, let alone progressive, response to the threat. Hostile to the working class, it oscillates between attempts to negotiate a deal with the imperialist powers and threatening them with Russia?s military might. No political support whatsoever can be extended to the Putin regime by the Russian working class. The situation is urgent. The working class must be made aware of the war danger and of the necessity to intervene politically to stop it. The fight against war must be connected to the growing movement of the working class against the ruling class policy of mass infection, unprecedented levels of social inequality, and the growing danger of far-right and fascistic dictatorship. That is, the fight against war must be developed as an independent political movement of the working class against the ruling class and the entire capitalist system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 00:54:01 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:54:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace] Fwd: In 1 Hour We Take Action for Yemen In-Reply-To: <61f08f0a3c6e6_10281102f4c77489@asgworker-qmb3-19.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> References: <61f08f0a3c6e6_10281102f4c77489@asgworker-qmb3-19.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: Actually this is happening in seven minutes ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Danaka, CODEPINK Date: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:00 PM Subject: In 1 Hour We Take Action for Yemen To: Robert Naiman Here is your Zoom link for the Yemen emergency action call. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [image: CODEPINK.ORG] Dear Robert, Thank you for RSVPing to our Emergency Action Call for Yemen. We will begin in one hour. Internet was restored to Yemen last night after a four day blackout. Immediately after the news broke, the Saudi-UAE coalition started bombarding Yemen's capital city of Sana'a. The time to act is now! At 8PM ET you can click here to join the Zoom! *What to expect:* At the beginning of the call we will be briefing everyone on the situation on the ground then spending a majority of the time taking action together. *Please be prepared to send tweets from your personal Twitter accounts.* Public Twitter accounts will be the most useful for our social media action. Not to worry, if you do not have Twitter we will give you a different action to take during this portion. The second action will ask that you make a phone call to your Member of Congress. *All you need to know is your zip code,* so please have that information ready to go. We will provide the phone number to call and a script! As the situation on the ground continues to get worse and worse, it is so important that you show up and bring a friend to this event. We need all hands on deck. Yemen can't wait for us to bring more people into this movement, we have to do it now. *Solidarity forever, **Danaka & the whole CODEPINK team* [image: Donate Now!] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 00:57:46 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:57:46 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karen, I know more about this than you do. Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram wrote: > Robert > > You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations > in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just > greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how > many lives they destroy. > > Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking > place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the > surface, not just skimming the headlines. > > For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows > exactly what is taking place. > > Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. > > Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on > "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists > nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the > Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who > focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US > imperialism since at least 1917. > > And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe > isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, > and accidents do happen. > > > On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > > I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in > Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's > nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy > war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war > is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has > destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which > is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about > this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to > improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't > sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine > once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a > Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the > big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on > the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of > starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a > nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? > It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. > > Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote > sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians > intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight > Russia over Syria. > > They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram wrote: > >> Robert, >> >> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was >> created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of >> Libya and Syria. >> >> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of >> Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during >> the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >> >> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with >> Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine >> destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >> >> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another >> Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region >> specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >> >> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever >> over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same >> concern, is insulting. >> >> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >> >> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >> >> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >> >> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >> >> >> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >> >> >> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >> >> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over >> Ukraine, please raise your hand. >> >> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia >> over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, >> why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This >> is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But >> whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not >> insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few >> thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose >> more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the >> German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >> >> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your >> own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough >> on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of >> Champaign-Urbana. >> >> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today >> at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How >> many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob >> media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people >> running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death >> because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation >> of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of >> 1973? >> >> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who >> don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >> >> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a >> briefing from Yemenis. >> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >> RSVP HERE. >> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication >> infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. >> Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People >> in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to >> engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be >> briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the >> tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We >> need all hands on deck." >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible >>> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to >>> Ukraine. >>> >>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for >>> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>> >>> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, >>> >>> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * >>> >>> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>> * >>> >>> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin >>> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry >>> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of >>> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his >>> military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has >>> been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before >>> diplomacy. >>> >>> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>> * >>> >>> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 >>> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result >>> in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the >>> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the >>> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated >>> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made >>> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a >>> member of NATO.* >>> >>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in >>> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over >>> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>> >>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new >>> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have >>> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk >>> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They >>> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in >>> Eastern Ukraine. * >>> >>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its >>> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, >>> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO >>> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" >>> to Russia. >>> >>> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the >>> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly >>> not be expanding to include Ukraine. * >>> >>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have >>> done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War >>> to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to >>> expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either >>> Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >>> >>> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time >>> to speak out is now! * >>> >>> *Join the webinar* >>> on the crisis in Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send >>> troops to Eastern Europe! >>> * >>> >>> Towards peace, >>> >>> *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, >>> Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, >>> Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie * >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 01:35:20 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:35:20 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your previous emails. Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t insane," on and on Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total destruction, and control. But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with bodily harm, as you have in the past. Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar enlightening Robert and hopefully others. > On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Karen, > > I know more about this than you do. > > Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram > wrote: > Robert > > You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how many lives they destroy. > > Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the surface, not just skimming the headlines. > > For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows exactly what is taking place. > > Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. > > Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US imperialism since at least 1917. > > And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, and accidents do happen. > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >> >> >> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. >> >> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. >> >> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: >> Robert, >> >> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. >> >> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >> >> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >> >> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >> >> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. >> >> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >> >> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >> >> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >> >> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >> >> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >> >> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >>> >>> >>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. >>> >>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >>> >>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. >>> >>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? >>> >>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >>> >>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. >>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >>> RSVP HERE. >>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >>> >>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>> >>> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >>> >>> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >>> >>> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>> >>> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >>> >>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>> >>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >>> >>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. >>> >>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >>> >>> Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! >>> >>> Join the webinar on the crisis in Ukraine and tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! >>> Towards peace, >>> Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 01:51:08 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:51:08 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Our peace lists. Message-ID: I?ve BCC?d you with the links. I will send you the stream of emails, you may then decide not to get involved. I wouldn?t blame you a bit. I wish now I hadn?t. Bottom line: Stuart sent an email related to a webinar by Code Pink, and I responded happily to hear from him, as I?d given up on the Peace List, not certain whether it was my system, or I know not what. I was then attacked by self absorbed John Watson, and Bob Naimen who positions himself as "anti-war activist." He?s paid by the Democrat Party, hates socialists, and lied about Jill Stein publicly to vilify her. He was caught on email giving instructions to say something that he knew wasn?t true. It was later published in Counterpunch, naming him. Anyway, my Irish got the better of me today. Thank goodness for Mort Brussel, the same age as Chomsky, and just as intelligent and spot. From naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 02:03:20 2022 From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 21:03:20 -0500 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: What's hilarious is how insistently stupid you are. It's like you're genetically addicted to being stupid. According to Medea, there were more than 500 people on the Ukraine call. There were 70 people on the Yemen call. You would acknowledge that I proved my point, if you weren't genetically addicted to being stupid, like a slavish follower of Jim Jones, who refused to stop drinking the Green Party Kool-Aid. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:35 PM karen aram wrote: > Robert > > You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your > previous emails. > Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t > insane," on and on > > Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve > known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our > government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total > destruction, and control. > > But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is > "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with > bodily harm, as you have in the past. > Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the > lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. > > We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar > enlightening Robert and hopefully others. > > > > On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Karen, > > I know more about this than you do. > > Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram wrote: > >> Robert >> >> You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many >> nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're >> just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t >> care how many lives they destroy. >> >> Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking >> place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the >> surface, not just skimming the headlines. >> >> For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows >> exactly what is taking place. >> >> Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. >> >> Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on >> "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists >> nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the >> Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who >> focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US >> imperialism since at least 1917. >> >> And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across >> Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one >> accident, and accidents do happen. >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: >> >> >> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in >> Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's >> nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy >> war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war >> is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has >> destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which >> is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about >> this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to >> improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't >> sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine >> once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a >> Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the >> big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on >> the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of >> starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a >> nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? >> It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. >> >> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote >> sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians >> intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight >> Russia over Syria. >> >> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> >>> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was >>> created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of >>> Libya and Syria. >>> >>> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of >>> Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during >>> the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >>> >>> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with >>> Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine >>> destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >>> >>> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another >>> Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region >>> specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >>> >>> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever >>> over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same >>> concern, is insulting. >>> >>> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >>> >>> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >>> >>> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >>> >>> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >>> >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >>> >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < >>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over >>> Ukraine, please raise your hand. >>> >>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with >>> Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over >>> Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? >>> This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. >>> But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not >>> insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few >>> thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose >>> more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the >>> German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >>> >>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your >>> own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough >>> on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of >>> Champaign-Urbana. >>> >>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today >>> at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How >>> many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob >>> media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people >>> running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death >>> because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation >>> of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of >>> 1973? >>> >>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who >>> don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >>> >>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with >>> a briefing from Yemenis. >>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >>> RSVP HERE. >>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication >>> infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the >>> internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian >>> casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January >>> 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. >>> Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & >>> given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite >>> friends. We need all hands on deck." >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < >>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible >>>> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to >>>> Ukraine. >>>> >>>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for >>>> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>>> >>>> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, >>>> >>>> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * >>>> >>>> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>>> * >>>> >>>> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin >>>> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry >>>> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of >>>> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his >>>> military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has >>>> been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before >>>> diplomacy. >>>> >>>> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>>> * >>>> >>>> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 >>>> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result >>>> in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the >>>> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the >>>> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated >>>> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made >>>> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a >>>> member of NATO.* >>>> >>>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in >>>> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over >>>> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>>> >>>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new >>>> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have >>>> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk >>>> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They >>>> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in >>>> Eastern Ukraine. * >>>> >>>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its >>>> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, >>>> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO >>>> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" >>>> to Russia. >>>> >>>> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the >>>> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly >>>> not be expanding to include Ukraine. * >>>> >>>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have >>>> done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold >>>> War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to >>>> expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once >>>> either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >>>> >>>> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. 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Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: LOL > On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > > What's hilarious is how insistently stupid you are. > > It's like you're genetically addicted to being stupid. > > According to Medea, there were more than 500 people on the Ukraine call. > > There were 70 people on the Yemen call. > > You would acknowledge that I proved my point, if you weren't genetically addicted to being stupid, like a slavish follower of Jim Jones, who refused to stop drinking the Green Party Kool-Aid. > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:35 PM karen aram > wrote: > Robert > > You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your previous emails. > Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t insane," on and on > > Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total destruction, and control. > > But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with bodily harm, as you have in the past. > Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. > > We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar enlightening Robert and hopefully others. > > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >> >> Karen, >> >> I know more about this than you do. >> >> Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram > wrote: >> Robert >> >> You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how many lives they destroy. >> >> Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the surface, not just skimming the headlines. >> >> For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows exactly what is taking place. >> >> Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. >> >> Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US imperialism since at least 1917. >> >> And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, and accidents do happen. >> >> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. >>> >>> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. >>> >>> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: >>> Robert, >>> >>> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. >>> >>> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >>> >>> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >>> >>> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >>> >>> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. >>> >>> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >>> >>> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >>> >>> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >>> >>> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. >>>> >>>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >>>> >>>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. >>>> >>>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? >>>> >>>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >>>> >>>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. >>>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >>>> RSVP HERE. >>>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >>>> >>>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>>> >>>> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >>>> >>>> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>>> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >>>> >>>> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>>> >>>> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >>>> >>>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>>> >>>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >>>> >>>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 02:13:07 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:13:07 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, and I forgot David Swanson has been talking about this issue as well. This is recent: https://davidswanson.org/to-send-weapons-and-troops-to-ukraine-youd-have-to-be-a-stupid-son-of-a-biden/ > On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:07 PM, karen aram via Peace wrote: > > LOL > > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >> >> >> What's hilarious is how insistently stupid you are. >> >> It's like you're genetically addicted to being stupid. >> >> According to Medea, there were more than 500 people on the Ukraine call. >> >> There were 70 people on the Yemen call. >> >> You would acknowledge that I proved my point, if you weren't genetically addicted to being stupid, like a slavish follower of Jim Jones, who refused to stop drinking the Green Party Kool-Aid. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:35 PM karen aram > wrote: >> Robert >> >> You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your previous emails. >> Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t insane," on and on >> >> Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total destruction, and control. >> >> But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with bodily harm, as you have in the past. >> Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. >> >> We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar enlightening Robert and hopefully others. >> >> >> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >>> >>> Karen, >>> >>> I know more about this than you do. >>> >>> Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram > wrote: >>> Robert >>> >>> You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how many lives they destroy. >>> >>> Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the surface, not just skimming the headlines. >>> >>> For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows exactly what is taking place. >>> >>> Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. >>> >>> Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US imperialism since at least 1917. >>> >>> And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, and accidents do happen. >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. >>>> >>>> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. >>>> >>>> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: >>>> Robert, >>>> >>>> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. >>>> >>>> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >>>> >>>> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >>>> >>>> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >>>> >>>> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. >>>> >>>> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >>>> >>>> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >>>> >>>> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >>>> >>>> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >>>> >>>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >>>> >>>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. >>>>> >>>>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >>>>> >>>>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. >>>>> >>>>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? >>>>> >>>>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >>>>> >>>>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. >>>>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >>>>> RSVP HERE. >>>>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >>>>> >>>>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>>>> >>>>> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >>>>> >>>>> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>>>> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >>>>> >>>>> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>>>> >>>>> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >>>>> >>>>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>>>> >>>>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >>>>> >>>>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. >>>>> >>>>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >>>>> >>>>> Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! >>>>> >>>>> Join the webinar on the crisis in Ukraine and tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! >>>>> Towards peace, >>>>> Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, and Suzie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace mailing list >>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Wed Jan 26 02:18:10 2022 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:18:10 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: The two of you have just proved my point once again, better than I could ever make the point. This list in microcosm is the world in macrocosm. You can call me "self-absorbed" if it gives you pleasure, Karen, and Robert can call us all "stupid" and "evil" if he wants to. But this jejune infighting is why "progressives" can have absolutely no power or effectiveness in the Real World. You'll never, ever learn. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:36 PM karen aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Robert > > You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your > previous emails. > Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t > insane," on and on > > Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve > known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our > government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total > destruction, and control. > > But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is > "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with > bodily harm, as you have in the past. > Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the > lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. > > We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar > enlightening Robert and hopefully others. > > > > On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Karen, > > I know more about this than you do. > > Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram wrote: > >> Robert >> >> You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many >> nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're >> just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t >> care how many lives they destroy. >> >> Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking >> place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the >> surface, not just skimming the headlines. >> >> For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows >> exactly what is taking place. >> >> Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. >> >> Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on >> "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists >> nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the >> Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who >> focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US >> imperialism since at least 1917. >> >> And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across >> Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one >> accident, and accidents do happen. >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: >> >> >> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in >> Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's >> nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy >> war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war >> is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has >> destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which >> is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about >> this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to >> improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't >> sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine >> once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a >> Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the >> big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on >> the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of >> starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a >> nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? >> It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. >> >> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote >> sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians >> intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight >> Russia over Syria. >> >> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> >>> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was >>> created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of >>> Libya and Syria. >>> >>> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of >>> Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during >>> the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >>> >>> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with >>> Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine >>> destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >>> >>> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another >>> Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region >>> specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >>> >>> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever >>> over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same >>> concern, is insulting. >>> >>> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >>> >>> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >>> >>> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >>> >>> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >>> >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >>> >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < >>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over >>> Ukraine, please raise your hand. >>> >>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with >>> Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over >>> Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? >>> This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. >>> But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not >>> insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few >>> thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose >>> more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the >>> German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >>> >>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your >>> own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough >>> on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of >>> Champaign-Urbana. >>> >>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today >>> at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How >>> many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob >>> media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people >>> running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death >>> because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation >>> of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of >>> 1973? >>> >>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who >>> don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >>> >>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with >>> a briefing from Yemenis. >>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >>> RSVP HERE. >>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication >>> infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the >>> internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian >>> casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January >>> 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. >>> Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & >>> given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite >>> friends. We need all hands on deck." >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss < >>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible >>>> deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to >>>> Ukraine. >>>> >>>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for >>>> Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>>> >>>> At *3PM Central Time *today, Jan. 25th, >>>> >>>> *CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: * >>>> >>>> *Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>>> * >>>> >>>> *Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin >>>> and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. *Larry >>>> Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of >>>> staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. *After ending his >>>> military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War* and has >>>> been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before >>>> diplomacy. >>>> >>>> *RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>>> * >>>> >>>> *The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 >>>> international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result >>>> in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the >>>> United States and Russia.* We must immediately demand that NATO, the >>>> U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated >>>> solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made >>>> with Russia, *including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a >>>> member of NATO.* >>>> >>>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in >>>> Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over >>>> Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>>> >>>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new >>>> escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have >>>> encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk >>>> II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. *They >>>> have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in >>>> Eastern Ukraine. * >>>> >>>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its >>>> borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, >>>> when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO >>>> membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" >>>> to Russia. >>>> >>>> *NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the >>>> dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly >>>> not be expanding to include Ukraine. * >>>> >>>> Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have >>>> done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold >>>> War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to >>>> expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once >>>> either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. >>>> >>>> *Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time >>>> to speak out is now! * >>>> >>>> *Join the webinar* >>>> on the crisis in >>>> Ukraine and *tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern >>>> Europe! >>>> * >>>> >>>> Towards peace, >>>> >>>> *Medea and the entire CODEPINK team: Alice, Allison, Ann, Ariel, >>>> Carley, Danaka, Emily, Farida, Jodie, Justina, Kelly, Lauren, Leonardo, >>>> Madison, Marcy, Marissa, Mark, Michelle, Nancy, Olivia, Paki, Teri, Shea, >>>> and Suzie * >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 02:38:17 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:38:17 -0600 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar In-Reply-To: References: <6ced88ce-d1aa-dbdd-0f56-2bea28709d5a@gmail.com> Message-ID: John, you attacked me diminishing my postings as ?simple," because you couldn?t deal with the issue, they aren?t simple, but you don?t care to read or listen, you just want to excuse ?everyone," as if you are a spokesperson for everyone, for not taking an interest. Naiman now having learned from Media Benjamin, has something to talk about but still criticizes me for ?scaremongering,? with exactly what experts on Russia and anti-war are saying. I suppose I shouldn?t refer to US/Nato provocations as putting us on the threshold of WW3. I should just quote David Swanson as referring to it as placing us in a situation of "ABOUT TO FUCKING DIE ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER LIVING THING ON EARTH. Nuclear apocalypse is faster than climate apocalypse or imaginary meteors, but nobody survives it. Everything ends. The scientists last week said the Doomsday Clock is staying one tick away from midnight because the risk has never been higher.? Naiman is referring to me only, as "stupid and evil." You?re his pal agreeing with him as you did. As to my getting pleasure calling you self-absorbed, it gives me no pleasure but your insistence when I post something instead of looking at the issue, you attack the messenger, unless it?s another "progressive.? So I can now leave this waste of a ?Peace List/Peace Discuss List, with the exception of a few, knowing that you two and hopefully others provoked by the arguments, are well aware of what is taking place, and you can all jump on the anti-war bandwagon as if you invented it. Though you really should read the articles so you know what you?re talking about. > On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:18 PM, John W. wrote: > > > The two of you have just proved my point once again, better than I could ever make the point. This list in microcosm is the world in macrocosm. You can call me "self-absorbed" if it gives you pleasure, Karen, and Robert can call us all "stupid" and "evil" if he wants to. But this jejune infighting is why "progressives" can have absolutely no power or effectiveness in the Real World. You'll never, ever learn. > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:36 PM karen aram via Peace > wrote: > > Robert > > You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your previous emails. > Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t insane," on and on > > Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total destruction, and control. > > But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with bodily harm, as you have in the past. > Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. > > We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar enlightening Robert and hopefully others. > > > >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >> >> Karen, >> >> I know more about this than you do. >> >> Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram > wrote: >> Robert >> >> You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how many lives they destroy. >> >> Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the surface, not just skimming the headlines. >> >> For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows exactly what is taking place. >> >> Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. >> >> Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US imperialism since at least 1917. >> >> And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, and accidents do happen. >> >> >>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. >>> >>> Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. >>> >>> They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: >>> Robert, >>> >>> You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. >>> >>> That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. >>> >>> For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. >>> >>> The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. >>> >>> When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. >>> >>> So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: >>> >>> I have more articles if anyone is interested. >>> >>> https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ >>> >>> https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ >>> >>> https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. >>>> >>>> This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. >>>> >>>> Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. >>>> >>>> Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? >>>> >>>> Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: >>>> >>>> "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. >>>> Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) >>>> RSVP HERE. >>>> The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. >>>> >>>> US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. >>>> >>>> At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: >>>> >>>> Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 >>>> Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. >>>> >>>> RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! >>>> >>>> The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. >>>> >>>> RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. >>>> >>>> Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. >>>> >>>> Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. 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URL: From rstorm2 at illinois.edu Wed Jan 26 02:45:20 2022 From: rstorm2 at illinois.edu (Storm, Rachel) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 02:45:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] 3pm today: "EMERGENCY: Is the US going to war with Russia over Ukraine?" Code Pink webinar Message-ID: <33c70f36-885c-403e-ae3c-074a6f814dc9@email.android.com> I thought I exited this list a very long time ago. Can someone help remove me? And since I just read that thread I'll say this before I go: There's both room and necessity in considering the urgency of many issues simultaneously--one doesn?t actually have to choose. Conserve your time and don't fret over webinar attendance--trust me, it's hardly indicative of much. Name-calling, really? That's where we are? This may be as good a time as any to reflect upon why an anti-war listserv is so frequently seduced into waring with itself. The revolution starts at home after all. Take care. On Jan 25, 2022 8:08 PM, karen aram via Peace wrote: LOL On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: What's hilarious is how insistently stupid you are. It's like you're genetically addicted to being stupid. According to Medea, there were more than 500 people on the Ukraine call. There were 70 people on the Yemen call. You would acknowledge that I proved my point, if you weren't genetically addicted to being stupid, like a slavish follower of Jim Jones, who refused to stop drinking the Green Party Kool-Aid. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 8:35 PM karen aram > wrote: Robert You?re really funny, you just learned about it today, based upon your previous emails. Your insistence, "it?s a distraction, your insistence the USG isn?t insane," on and on Your insistence we listen to the webinar related to Yemen, which we?ve known about for seven years with no change in direction from the US, our government representatives, and our proxy the KSA in their goal of total destruction, and control. But "oh my," you know more about this than I and I?m the one who is "stupid and evil.? Come on, you can do better than that, threaten me with bodily harm, as you have in the past. Your misogyny betrays you. I?ll stop taunting you, when you stop with the lies and propaganda, and stop addressing me. We should all thank Stuart for his email invitation to Code Pink?s webinar enlightening Robert and hopefully others. On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: Karen, I know more about this than you do. Why do you taunt me with your evil stupidity? On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:40 PM karen aram > wrote: Robert You couldn?t be more wrong about the USG, we?ve destroyed how many nations in how many years? You?re right and they're not insane, they're just greedy, hegemonies, imperialists looking at profits and they don?t care how many lives they destroy. Obviously you haven?t been paying attention related to what is taking place in Ukraine, Russia and Nato. I?m referring to going beneath the surface, not just skimming the headlines. For starters: read Morton Brussel?s second paragraph below, he knows exactly what is taking place. Read or listen to the links I provided by experts in the field. Just listen to what "The Nation?s,? Katrina Vandenheuval has to say, on "Democracy Now," both of which are liberal Democrat media?s, not socialists nothing to be feared. Ray McGovern former CIA Analyst and advisor to the Reagan government, now retired and reformed. They are just two people who focus on what is taking place in the world, specifically the targets of US imperialism since at least 1917. And, if you think our nuclear missiles and Nato being spread across Europe isn?t dangerous, please understand: it takes only one, only one accident, and accidents do happen. On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: I'm not denigrating being concerned about what the U.S. is doing in Ukraine. I'm denigrating the scaremongering about "World War 3." That's nonsense. It's not how the U.S. behaves. It's not how Russia behaves. Proxy war is not the same thing as direct war. That doesn't mean that proxy war is ok. Proxy war is not ok. Proxy war is monstrous. It has destroyed country after country. But it's not a threat to Americans, which is why they do it and mostly get away with it. We should be honest about this. We should tell the truth about this. Lying about it isn't going to improve anything. You can temporarily get people excited. But you can't sustain activism like this. Nobody will stick with concern about Ukraine once they cut a deal and it's out of the headlines. It's ephemeral. It's a Shiny Object. It's not building anything. It's not doing anything about the big harms that U.S. foreign policy is causing. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Yemen. Millions of human beings on the brink of starvation in Afghanistan. What is Ukraine compared to that? It's a nothingburger. How does jumping up and down about Ukraine help with that? It doesn't help with that. It doesn't do anything. Look at Syria. The U.S. was happy to mess around in Syria, promote sectarian civil war to undermine the regime. But when the Russians intervened directly, the U.S. said: "Oh, ok." They weren't going to fight Russia over Syria. They are not going to fight the Russians over Ukraine. On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 2:24 PM karen aram > wrote: Robert, You?re right about Yemen, it?s a terrible situation, one which was created in 2015 by the Obama Administration, along with the destruction of Libya and Syria. That doesn?t negate what is taking place in Ukraine on the borders of Russia, which began during the Reagan Administration, became obvious during the Obama Administration, and now has us on the verge of WW3. For those so certain the US isn?t insane, and won?t go to war with Russia, you need to recognize the USG uses proxy?s and having Ukraine destroyed in a proxy war doesn?t bother them at all. The provocations of Russia by Nato is urging regime change for another Yeltsin, or force Russia to annex portions of Ukraine, the Donbass region specifically, which could result in war with the potential for WW3. When experts on "foreign policy" are even more concerned now than ever over this issue, denigrating those in this community showing the same concern, is insulting. So here, be my guest, and educate yourself: I have more articles if anyone is interested. https://popularresistance.org/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/ https://raymcgovern.com/.../perfidious-albion-giving.../ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/547244-head-of-german-navy-forced/ https://www.rt.com/shows/news-on-rt-america/546815-ben-norton-americans-dont-want/ On Jan 25, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: If you believe that the United States is going to war with Russia over Ukraine, please raise your hand. This is not how the U.S. Empire works. Did the U.S. go to war with Russia over Syria? If the U.S. wasn't willing to go to war with Russia over Syria, why would the U.S. be willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine? This is all Blob hype in the media to pressure Biden to be more aggressive. But whatever Biden does, it's not going to be war with Russia. Biden is not insane. They'll send some more military stuff, they'll deploy a few thousand more troops to NATO countries in Eastern Europe, they'll impose more economic sanctions on Russia, though not any that would badly hurt the German economy, which means that they're not going to get carried away. Do you remember in grade school, when they said: "Pick on someone your own size"? That's something the U.S. Empire NEVER does. Reagan talked tough on the Soviet Union. Then he invaded Grenada, a country the size of Champaign-Urbana. Here's why this matters. There is an "emergency" Codepink webinar today at 8pm ET on the U.S.-Saudi war-blockade-famine-genocide in Yemen. How many people are going to go to both? Which is the real emergency, the Blob media hype that can never result in a war with Russia because the people running the U.S. are not insane, or Yemeni children starving to death because the U.S. is helping the Saudi regime blockade Yemen, in violation of Article I of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973? Here is the real emergency Codepink webinar today for the people who don't want to chase Shiny Objects in the Blob-dominated U.S. media: "Please join CODEPINK for #YemenCan'tWait Emergency On-Line Action with a briefing from Yemenis. Tues., Jan. 25, 5 PM (PT), 8 PM (ET) RSVP HERE. The Saudi-UAE coalition recently attacked Yemen's communication infrastructure, leaving all of Yemen without connection to the internet. Initial reports of Saudi-led strikes have high civilian casualties. People in the U.S. need to take action now. Join us on January 25 at 8PM ET to engage on social media and call our members of Congress. Attendees will be briefed on the situation on the ground at the beginning & given all the tools and language for taking action. Please RSVP and invite friends. We need all hands on deck." On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 9:04 AM Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: Biden has just ordered 8500 US troops to be on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe... "lethal aid" has already been delivered to Ukraine. US politicians across the spectrum are expressing their "support" for Ukraine, and the US media have been preparing us for war. At 3PM Central Time today, Jan. 25th, CODE PINK will hold an emergency webinar: Click Here to sign up for the webinar -- www.codepink.org/092522 Join an emergency webinar discussion between CODEPINK'S Medea Benjamin and retired Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson today at 3:00 PM Central time. Larry Wilkerson is a professor at the College of William & Mary and was chief of staff to U.S Secretary of State Colin Powell. After ending his military career, Wilkerson publicly criticized the Iraq War and has been a vocal opponent of U.S. policies that put militarism before diplomacy. RSVP FOR THE WEBINAR HERE! The U.S. and NATO, whose Response Force is composed of some 40,000 international troops, are exacerbating a conflict that could easily result in war between the world?s two most heavily armed nuclear states ? the United States and Russia. We must immediately demand that NATO, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine pursue vigorous diplomacy for a negotiated solution. There is every reason to believe that a compromise can be made with Russia, including a guarantee that Ukraine will not become a member of NATO. RSVP for today?s webinar and send a message to your representatives in Congress, telling them to pressure Biden not to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Tell Congress that you want negotiations, not escalation. Since 2015, the Minsk II Accord has successfully prevented a new escalation of the civil war in Ukraine. But the United States and NATO have encouraged the Ukrainian government to ignore its obligations under Minsk II, and to instead reassert absolute sovereignty over the Donbas region. They have supplied powerful weapons, which Ukraine has deployed and used in Eastern Ukraine. Russia has always been opposed to NATO?s eastern expansion to its borders, and it is determined to stop Ukraine from entering NATO. In 2008, when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko first applied for NATO membership, President Putin called Ukrainian membership "a direct threat" to Russia. NATO is a military alliance that should have dissolved with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. It should certainly not be expanding to include Ukraine. Rather than NATO dissolving with the Warsaw Pact, as it should have done, it has violated the agreements that brought the original Cold War to an end and reunified Germany. Instead of keeping its promise not to expand eastward, it has added 11 member countries that were once either Soviet republics or members of the Warsaw Pact. Now the situation is teetering on the brink of a massive war. The time to speak out is now! Join the webinar on the crisis in Ukraine and tell Congress not to let Biden send troops to Eastern Europe! 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 03:11:13 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 21:11:13 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Ben Norton's new platform, as he left The Grayzone..see his article on Multipolarista below: Message-ID: https://multipolarista.com/2022/01/22/cia-training-ukrainian-paramilitaries-kill-russians/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 26 13:31:48 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 07:31:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Good News!!! Message-ID: Germany and France, in an effort to deescalate tensions, are moving away from US efforts in Ukraine. They recognize the dangers inherent in such actions, let's hope other nations follow suit. My last posting on the ?Peace? List. From carl at newsfromneptune.com Fri Jan 28 03:16:03 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:16:03 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Pepe Escobar on the 'Ukraine crisis' etc. Message-ID: [This excellent analysis of the geopolitics of the current 'Ukraine crisis' has two difficulties: (1) the author is being censored by Facebook; and (2) he writes in an allusive, elusive style developed in part perhaps to flummox the censors. It repays decoding. ?CGE] The fatal mistake committed by Brussels in 2014 was to force Kiev to make an impossible choice between Europe and Russia. A specter haunts the collective West: total zombification, courtesy of an across-the-board 24/7 psy ops imprinting the inevitability of ?Russian aggression?. Let?s pierce the fog of hysteria by asking Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov what?s going on: ?I can absolutely say that to date, the Russian armed forces have not created a strike group that could make a forceful invasion of Ukraine.? Well, Reznikov is obviously not aware that the White House, with access to arguably privileged intel, is convinced that Russia will invade ?any-minute-now?. The Pentagon doubles down: ?It?s very clear the Russians have no intention right now of deescalating?. Thus the necessity, expressed by spokesman John Kirby, of readying a multinational NATO response force (NRF) of 40,000 troops: ?If it is activated?to defeat aggression, if necessary?. So ?aggression? is a given. The White House is ?refining? military plans ? 18 at the last count ? for all manners of ?aggression?. As for responding ? in writing ? to the Russian proposals on security guarantees, well, that?s far too complex. There is no ?exact date? when it will be sent to Moscow. And the proverbial ?officials? have begged their Russian counterparts not to make it public. After all, a letter is not sexy. Yet ?aggression? sells. Especially when it may happen ?any-minute-now.? ?Analyst? hacks are yelling that Putin ?is now almost certain? to deliver a ?limited strike? in ?the next ten days?, complete with an attack on Kiev: that configures the scenario of an ?almost inevitable war?. Vladimir Dzhabarov, First Deputy Chairman of Russia?s Council Committee on International Affairs, prefers to get closer to reality: the U.S. is preparing a provocation to push Kiev to ?reckless actions? against Russia in the Donbass. That ties in with foot soldiers of the Luhansk People?s Republic reporting that ?subversive groups prepared by British instructors? arrived in the area of ??Lisichansk. Luminaries such as the European Commission?s Ursula von der Leyen, NATO?s Jens Stoltenberg and ?leaders? from the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Poland announced, after a video call, that ?an unprecedented package of sanctions? is nearly ready if Russia ?invades?. They billed it as ?international unity in the face of growing Russia hostility?. Translation: NATOstan begging Russia to please invade a.s.a.p. Of the EU 27, 21 are NATO members. The U.S. rules over the whole lot. So when the EU announces that ?any further military aggression against Ukraine would have very serious consequences for Russia?, that?s the U.S. telling NATO to tell the EU ?what we say, goes?. And under this strategy of tension environment, ?what we say? means applying raw, imperial Divide and Rule to keep Europe totally subjugated. The West?s fatal mistakes One should never forget that Maidan 2014 was an operation supervised by Obama/Biden. Yet there?s still plenty of unfinished business ? when it comes to bogging down Russia. So the viscerally Russophobic War Party in D.C. now has to pull all stops ordering NATOstan to cheerlead Kiev to start a hot war ? and thus trap Russia. Zelensky The Comedian even went on the record wanting to ?go on the offensive?. So time to release the false flags. The indispensable Alastair Crooke has outlined how ??encirclement? and ?containment? effectively have become Biden?s default foreign policy.? Not ?Biden?, actually ? but the amorphous combo behind the earpiece/teleprompter-controlled puppet I have been designating for over a year as Crash Test Dummy. Crooke adds, ?the attempt to cement-in this meta-doctrine currently is being enacted out via Russia (as the initial step). The essential buy-in by Europe is the ?party-piece? to Russia?s physical containment and encirclement.? ?Encirclement? and ?containment? have been exceptionalist staples, under various guises, for decades. The notion entertained by the War Party that it?s possible to carry both across a three-way-front ? against Russia, China and Iran ? is so infantile to render any analysis idle. It does call for a drink and a good laugh. As for extra sanctions for the imaginary ?Russian aggression?, a few benevolent souls had to remind Little Tony Blinken and other ?Biden? combo participants that Europeans would be much more lethally affected than Russians; not to mention these sanctions would turbo-charge the collective West?s economic crisis. A short recap is essential to frame how we ended up mired in the current hysteria swamp. The collective West blew the chance it had to build a constructive partnership with Russia similar to what it did with Germany after 1945. The collective West also blew it when reducing Russia to the role of a minor, docile entity, imposing that there?s only one sphere of influence on the planet: NATOstan, of course. And the Empire blew it when it targeted Russia even after it had allegedly ?won? against the USSR. During the 1990s and the 2000s, instead of being invited to participate in the construction of the ?common European home? ? with all its glaring faults ? post-Soviet Russia was forced to be outside looking in on how this ?home? was upgraded and decorated. Contrary to all the promises made to Gorbachev by assorted Western leaders, the traditional Russian sphere of influence ? and even former USSR territory ? became objects of dispute in the looting of the ?Soviet heritage?: merely a space to be colonized by NATO?s military structures. Contrary to Gorbachev?s hope ? who was naively convinced that the West would share with him the benefits of ?the dividends of peace? ? a hardcore Anglo-American neoliberal model was imposed over the Russian economy. Added to the disastrous consequences of this transition was the sentiment of national frustration by a society that was humiliated and treated like a vanquished nation in the Cold War, or WWIII. That was Exceptionalistan?s fatal mistake: to believe that with the USSR vanishing, Russia as a historic, economic and strategic reality would also disappear from international relations. The new pact of steel And that?s why War Inc., the War Party, the Deep State, however you wanna call them, are freaking out now ? big time. They dismissed Putin when he formulated a new paradigm in Munich in 2007 ? or when he returned to the Kremlin in 2012. Putin made it very clear that Russia?s legitimate strategic interests would have to be respected again. And that Russia was about to recover its de facto ?veto rights? in managing world affairs. Well, the Putin doctrine was already being implemented since the Georgian affair in 2008. Ukraine is a patchwork of morsels that belonged until recently to different empires ? Austro-Hungarian and Russian ? as well as several nations, such as Russia, Poland and Romania. It regroups Catholicism and Orthodoxy, and has millions of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers with deep historical, cultural and economic links with Russia. So Ukraine was a de facto new Yugoslavia. The fatal mistake committed by Brussels in 2014 was to force Kiev as well as the Ukrainian population as a whole to make an impossible choice between Europe and Russia. The inevitable result would have to be Maidan, completely manipulated by American intel, even as Russians clearly saw how the EU switched from the position of honest broker to the lowly role of American chihuahuas. Russophobic U.S. hawks will never renounce the spectacle of their historical adversary bogged down in a slow-burning fratricidal war in the post-Soviet space. As much as they will never renounce Divide and Rule imposed over a discombobulated Europe. And as much as they will never concede ?spheres of influence? to any geopolitical player. Without their toxic imprint, 2014 could have played in quite a different manner. To dissuade Putin to restore Crimea to its rightful place ? Russia ? it would have taken two things: for Ukraine to be decently managed after 1992, and not to force it to choose the Western camp, but to make it a bridge, Finland or Austria-style. After Maidan, the Minsk agreements were as close as possible to a viable solution: let?s end the conflict in Donbass; let?s disarm the protagonists; and let?s re-establish control of the borders of Ukraine while providing real autonomy to Eastern Ukraine. For all that to happen, Ukraine would have needed a neutral status, and a double security guarantee, by Russia and NATO. And to render the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU compatible with the close links between Eastern Ukraine and the Russian economy. All that would have perhaps configured a European vision of decent future relations with Russia. Yet the Russophobic Deep State would never allow it. And the same applied to the White House. Barack Obama, that cynical opportunist, was too engulfed by the dodgy Polish context in Chicago and not free from the exceptionalist obsession with deep antagonism to be able to build a constructive relationship with Russia. Then there?s the clincher, revealed by a high-level U.S. intel source. In 2013, the late Zbigniew ?Grand Chessboard? Brzezinski was presented with a classified report on Russian advanced missiles. He freaked out. And responded by conceptualizing Maidan 2014 ? to draw Russia into a guerrilla war then as he had done with Afghanistan in the 1980s. And here we are now: it?s all a matter of unfinished business. A final word on the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. In the 13th century, the Mongol Empire established its suzerainty over Kievan Rus ? that is, over the Christian orthodox principalities that correspond today to northern Ukraine, Belarus and part of contemporary Russia. The Tartar yoke over Russia ? from 1240 to 1552, when Ivan The Terrible conquered Kazan ? is deeply imprinted in Russian historical consciousness and in the debate about national identity. The Mongols separately conquered vast swathes of China, Russia and Iran. Centuries after Pax Mongolica, what an irony that the new pact of steel between these top three Eurasian actors is now an insurmountable geopolitical obstacle, smashing all elaborate plans by a bunch of trans-Atlantic historic upstarts. --Pepe Escobar From jbn at forestfield.org Sat Jan 29 02:51:58 2022 From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 20:51:58 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Recommended videos for AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV Message-ID: <109f1392-02e7-47e8-08a4-d0570e8ed0c3@forestfield.org> Here are the videos I recommended to run during AWARE on the Air, News from Neptune, and Labor's World View TV. As a reminder: If anyone else has anything to run, please feel free to get your video pointers to UPTV (UPTV at urbanaillinois.us). I have continued to ask UPTV to prioritize AWARE members video pointers over mine for AWARE on the Air, Carl Estabrook & David Green's video pointers over mine for News from Neptune, and David Johnson's video pointers over mine for Labor's World View TV. Enjoy. -J News from Neptune & AWARE on the Air ================================================== RT https://youtube.com/watch?v=75meuwU5XQI (26m 27s) -- "Assange can appeal UK Supreme Court" with Chris Hedges interviewing John Pilger https://youtube.com/watch?v=kFxh0PQTpOg (28m 14s) -- "John Pilger on Ukraine, US tensions with Russia & China: An Enemy is Essential for US & Its Vassals!" https://youtube.com/watch?v=rwWH_zwrzsE (27m 46s) -- ?Corporations Are The Problem, Not The Solution!?- UN Special Rapporteur on Growing Global Hunger Empire Files https://youtube.com/watch?v=7mMsGi11F-U (11m 36s) -- "Native Hawaiians Fight US Navy for Polluting Island?s Water" https://youtube.com/watch?v=iyl_eWh-IS0 (8m 27s) -- "Navy Abandons Victims of Red Hill Fuel Leak" Grayzone https://youtube.com/watch?v=lBMKhhdg4jk (45m 13s) -- "US and UK escalate Russia war fever, but NATO splits over Ukraine emerge" https://youtube.com/watch?v=9AyL4CtUV3s (44m 2s) -- "Syria?s post-war recovery challenges US hegemony" https://youtube.com/watch?v=I3_Od3T-FlI (55m 9s) -- ""Smoking Gun" Analysis Finds US Sanctions Produce "War Time" Economy in Venezuela" https://youtube.com/watch?v=zkYgXQo2aQs (37m 12s) -- "US war lobby fuels conflict in Russia, Ukraine, and Syria: ex-Pentagon advisor" Labor's World View TV ================================================== More Perfect Union https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZkBwkToDBD0 (4m 34s) -- "How Debt-Based License Suspensions Criminalize Poverty" https://youtube.com/watch?v=El9Koi66xq4 (5m 12s) -- "Fake Pay Rate Scam EXPOSED" https://youtube.com/watch?v=K9FNnB3RTnQ (4m 49s) -- "8000+ King Sooper Workers Walk Out On Strike" https://youtube.com/watch?v=Biy6EiLQjPY (6m 57s) -- "Google Engineers Fired For Union Organizing Reveal the Dark Side of the Tech Giant" laborvideo https://youtube.com/watch?v=c-be9pAQAQs (32m 39s) -- "MLK Day Strike By NUHW Kaiser Mental Healthcare Workers To Stop Systemic Racism & To Provide Care" https://youtube.com/watch?v=q8I3vjfJG_8 (23m 46s) -- "Clover & The Class War In South Africa With GIWUSA Pres Mametlwe Sebei" https://youtube.com/watch?v=S-ILEb3h9s4 (17m 34s) -- "Labor One Year After Jan 6 Insurrection & Rise Of Fascism With Vermont AFL-CIO Pres David Van Deusen" Status Coup https://youtube.com/watch?v=T5nqWnBw6hs (56s) -- "Kroger CEO's Compensation is Over $23 Million When 63% of Their Workers Live In Poverty" https://youtube.com/watch?v=w9apTT8vgw4 (11m 19s) -- "Kroger Workers ON STRIKE - Survey Reveals SHOCKING Conditions of Employees" From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 29 18:39:21 2022 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (karen aram) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:39:21 -0600 Subject: [Peace] United National Antiwar Coalition Message-ID: Event by United National Antiwar Coalition Public ? Anyone US/NATO Aggression at the Russian Border A conversation between US, Russian and Ukrainian Peace activists to register: https://us06web.zoom.us/.../reg.../WN_984zj4TsQ8er6Ja5z3F9vg Webinar, Sunday, February 6, 12 noon Eastern (US/Canada) Speakers: Ajamu Baraka, National Organizer, Black Alliance for Peace Larissa Shessler, Chair, Union of Political Emigrants & Political prisoners of Ukraine Bruce Gagnon, Coordinator, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Sapce Joe Lombardo, Coordinator, United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC) Vladimir Kozin, Correspondent member, Russian Academy of Science Leonid Ilderkin, Coordinating Council of the Union of Political Emigrants & Political Prisoners of Ukraine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Jan 30 04:01:18 2022 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 22:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Peace] Censorship Message-ID: I think that?s correct. ?CGE